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Honda Odyssey, Toyota Corolla, Chrysler Town and Country, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, Van
#18 of 51 Re: Thanks [citivas]
Mar 30, 2013 (9:25 am)
My wife is considerably shorter than me, and boy, it the memory seats are sweet
Very cool your going to the NY Auto Show, that should be exciting. We have a 2000 mile road trip coming up in a few months and were looking at $3-5K bill to get our 06 Odyssey where I would feel safe taking the family on such a long trip. The 2014 does have some really nice features, particularly the push button start and perimeter smart key. While I actually like the look of the touchscreen audio system in the 14, I am old school and find it easier to use the buttons when driving.
Have fun! I believe they are going to debut the 2014 Honda Pilot at the NY Show as well.
#19 of 51 Chrysler Town and Country -The Best Minivan in the Market
Apr 03, 2013 (4:53 pm)
I have a 2011 Town and Country Touring model(the base model among the three models)purchased new in 2011,currently it has 25,600 mi (41,000 km)mileage and fortunately for me this van still doing better and the only time i brought it to my dealer was the regular oil change schedules.Though it is a touring model only,it is equipped with some luxurious features that includes the following:remote starter,push button starter,rear camera,powder sliding doors and windows including the quarter windows at the back,power liftgate (rear door),sirius satellite radio,intelligent key ( no need to bring out the key or fob in my pocket to get in or get out the van,you only have to touch the door handle and it opens automatically),DVD,2nd and 3rd seats folded flat to the floor and of course the powerful pentastar 283 hp v6 engine that were instaled to all T/C that started with the 2011 model.So far i don't have any issues with this van since i bought it two years ago for only $30,000.
#20 of 51 Just bought a 2013 Chrysler TCl
Apr 04, 2013 (7:43 am)
It was a manager's special with 3,000 miles on it. But they knocked off $7,000.00 and I got it for $27,000.00. About the same as what my old 2005 Dodge GC cost me. My God what a difference between the two. It has the delux consol, blind spot and cross path detection. Park Sense,rear park assist, rain sesative wipers, auto dim lights, tire pressure monitoring sensor, double security alarms,Sirus radio, Unconnect430 CD/DVD/Mp3/HDD, 40 gig hard drive, keyless entry with immoblizer, automatic highbeam control, uconnect Voice Command with Blue Tooth, fuel optimizer calibration, remote start, side roll down curtains, Park View rear backup camera, tilt/telescoping steering column, 3zone automatic A/c, steering wheel mount audio controls, leather seats, plus all the things that come with all Dodge/Chrysler minivans. It has a beautiful grey and beige interior.
To top it off, I bought the Maximum Care Package for around $2,300.00 that gives me Life Time bumper to bumper warranty on everything but wear items. The package includes shocks, small dent repair, towing/roadside assistance, with $1,000.00 trip interrupt protection and car rental allowance up to $175.00. With only a $100.00 deductable.
I got so much more than I ever got on my 2005 Dodge GC for almost the same price. I had good luck with the Dodge. I only had to replace the window washer container, as it got a crack in it from a flying stone and one wire broke on the rear fold down seat leg, that pulled one leg of the seat into the floor when stowed.
#21 of 51 Almost forgt
Apr 04, 2013 (7:52 am)
Both front seats are electric. With that life time warranty, you can bet I'll keep this minivan for a long time.
#22 of 51 Re: Just bought a 2013 Chrysler TCl [marine2]
Apr 04, 2013 (12:56 pm)
Good for you...congratulations.....soon you'll realize that you made the right decision
...just maintain your van and drive it the right way...when i bought my 2001 pontiac montana se ext in 2001 the reviews made by edmunds as compared to that of odyssey and previa (sienna) was not good but fortunately my montana had passed the test of time now at 250,000 km (156,250 mi) with the same never been repaired 3.4 liter engine and auto-transmission while my neighbours 2002 honda odyssey's auto-transmission failed at 150,000 kms (93750 mi) that cost him almost $4000.I'm still using my montana during winter time and my newer 2011 town and country touring after winter.
Apr 04, 2013 (2:46 pm)
I normally never buy extended warranties. But with all the features in our Odyssey Touring, it made sense to me. I went with a 5yr 60K mile bumper to bumper Hondacare warranty for $611. I shopped around online and brought in two quotes and the dealer beat them. We usually keep vehicles 5-7 years and around 50-70K miles so this warranty seemed adequate (although I have sold problem vehicles within 3 yrs 30K miles). It is also transferrable if we decide to sell before 5 yrs 60K.
My wife really loves the 13 Odyssey vs our 06. It is so much quieter and really has more of a luxurious feel. The kids love it too. My daughter already has some juice boxes stored in the built-in cooler. I suspect this is our last minivan (if I have my say at least) and the next vehicle will be an SUV.
#24 of 51 Re: Drove them again [tsu670]
Apr 08, 2013 (10:59 am)
Well I just got rid of a 2005 DGC that also had bad reviews. Kept it 8 1/2 years and only replaced the windshield washer bottle for a crack in it and a wire broke a few months ago that pulled down the two back legs into the floor when the right side rear seat was stowed. Not bad for a peice of junk. As a matter of fact because the 2005 was so trouble free, I just bought a 2013 Chrysler Touring L. It has got everything I ever wanted on a mini van, plus. Almost all the things Admunds, Consumer Report and others complained about has been addressed. Has a new engine that has been rated one of the 10 best in the world for two years in a row. From what I hear, it's even faster than the Honda and Toyota mini vans. It has almost every kind of safety feature you could want on a mini van. While it only seats 7 instead of 8, I have never even had 7 in my vans yet and I have been a mini van owner for over 8 years.
While others can talk up the Toyota and Honda, have fun. Pay those thousands more to get what the Chrysler has. You still won't have stow-go. You won't have all the storage I have. In most cases, you'll have to pay extra to have those bigger items delivered that I can get in my minivan. While some may say they'll make up for the difference in paying the higher price for their Honda or Toyota come trade in time. As long as I keep my vehicles, trade in value will be a mute point. My last two cars before my 2005 mini van, I kept for over 11 years. I would have kept the Dodge longer, but I fell in love with this Chrysler TC L and I couldn't beat the price I got it for.
The inside of my new Chrysler takes a back seat to none as far as looks and fit and finish. It has a great console in it with all kinds of storage.
#25 of 51 Re: Drove them again [marine2]
Apr 08, 2013 (12:02 pm)
Well resale value is very real. And while you may not care, most people do (and should). Case in point with my 2006 Odyssey I sold. I shopped heavily back in 2006 and the Town and Country Touring model and Odyssey EX-L were considered (along with the Sienna XLE). Price wise, my Honda cost about $2200 more than the similarly equipped T&C Touring model (the Sienna was within about $1K of the Honda).
Here are the trade in value for a 2006 Odyssey EX-L vs a 2006 T&C Touring:
2006 Odyssey EX-L w/65000 miles = $13,400
2006 T&C Touring w/65000 miles = $7400
I got these numbers via kbb.com with a "good" trade in condition for both. Pretty big difference in price there, and you can see the Honda holds their value much better over time and you make up the savings when you buy at resale. Honda comes out even further ahead if you sell privately. Reliability is a factor, but all those fleet sales on the Chrysler and Dodge vans (about 60% of their sales are fleet) are the killer. It pulls the value drastically down.
If you keep your vehicles for 12+ years, probably does not matter as much. If you are like me and keep them 5-9 years or less, the resale value is not something to overlook.
As for acceleration, you are correct that the T&C and Caravan has the terrific Pentastar engine, that has more output than the Honda or Toyota vans, but the problem is their transmission is not as efficient with shift ratios. Per Edmunds:
"In Edmunds testing, the Town & Country accelerated from zero to 60 mph in 8.3 seconds, about a half-second slower than the Honda Odyssey and Toyota Sienna."
The Odyssey also gets better MPG. So quicker, and better gas mileage
If you are someone that constantly is hauling things and needs to take out the second row seats, stow and go system is a big plus for Dodge/Chrysler, IMHO. But, again, there are trade-offs. You lose a third seat in the second row (Toyota and Honda can seat up to 8 adults, Chrysler and Dodge 7) and another drawback is the 2nd row seats are not as comfortable as the Honda or Toyota because they are thinner to support stow and go. Since I might remove the second row seats from my minivan to haul things maybe 3 times a year tops, I would prefer the more comfortable seats and the option to seat 8. With three young kids and hauling friends and neighbors that extra seat gets more use for me than stow and go would. Trade-offs.
One trade-off my wife refused to make was safety ratings, and the Odyssey got a better overall score than any other minivan out there.
Chrysler definitely made some big improvements starting in 2011, but so did the other players.
Buy what fits your needs and makes the most sense.
#26 of 51 Re: Drove them again [dc_driver]
Apr 08, 2013 (1:25 pm)
Honda cars are a piece of junk.A neighbor's 2002 Honda Odyssey with around 150,000 kms (93750 mi) on it had been repaired to a transmission repair shop in 2009 for a failed transmission that cost him around $ 4000.Now it has a leaking engine that's causing him problem in his driveway due the unpleasant sight it brings to his property.On the other hand,i have an 8 seater 2001 Pontiac Montana SE EXT that i'm still driving during winter time with around 250000 km (156,250 mi) on it and with the same never been repaired 3.4 lit engine and auto-transmission...and one thing more it all passed all the emission tests required for insurance renewal without changing or fixing anything.My other newer minivan a Chrysler 2011 Touring now at 45000 km(28,125) is still doing great and doesn't gave me any problems at all.I hope i can keep this van for another 10 years like the Montana. Just like anybody i'm not going any younger.
#27 of 51 More to safety than stars,
Apr 08, 2013 (3:24 pm)
although the Chrysler has 4 and 5 star rating in crash tests. I was backing out of my driveway this morning in my 5 day old new mini van and using my on screen video of what's behind me. Next thing I hear a peping sound and then see a car go by. I soon discovered my van will also tell me when cars are going to go pass me when backing up. A great feature, especially if in a parking lot and another high vehicle is parked next to you, blocking your vision. I was also going to put on some spot mirrors like I had on the old Dodge to catch anyone in my blind spot when changing lanes. But discovered that Chrysler has that problem solved too. Built into the side mirrors, a light comes on, on a piece in the mirror anytime a car comes into my blind spot. It can also warn you with a bep. Another great safety feature.
But I'm sure much has to do with how you use your mini van. If it's mostly a people hauler, with the softer 2nd and 3rd row seats, Honda or Toyota would be better. Also if you some times need the eighth seat and will trade it in earlier. All good reasons to buy either of those mini vans. My needs are just the opposit. There is only my wife and I. Some times we carry the kids and grand kids or friends. Never needed eight seats. I do haul a lot moving family and could get more in my Dodge van than I could in my old pickup truck.(I could stack things higher.) When my brother and I drove back to Ohio from Phoenix, I stowed one second and third row seat and put down a air matteress and one would take turns sleeping while the other drove. When My Mom and Sister needed electric carts to get around, like Park and Swap, I bought a metal ramp and was able to get two at once into my van. I delivered my own hot water tank and installed it. Same with a new dishwasher. Saving a $60.00 delivery fee on both. I got a 4x8 sheet of plywood in it to fix some siding on my shed. Took an old refrigerator to the recycle station. So you see, stow and go is important to me. But I wanted a mini van that also looked nice and had all the goodies I never had before, like back up camera, DVD, radio with a screen and hard drive. I loaded up all my music CD's and loaded them up on it and put the CD's back in the house. Remote start, auto headlights and windshield wipers, etc. etc. and the new 5th generation Chrysler fits that bill perfectly. The inside is beautiful. I just have to be more carefull now what I haul and cover it real good. Didn't worry that much about it with the 2005 Dodge GC. Not much to hurt in that one and it was far from pretty in the inside. Not so with this Chrysler Town and Country. I finally got my cake and can eat it to. I'm a happy man.