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#6 of 4929 Re: State of GM [circlew]
Feb 15, 2013 (4:55 am)
The new Silverado fails to excite -
They look impressive to me. Conservative styling, a beautiful interior and supposedly best in class fuel economy from reworked engines including a
more powerful aluminum block 4.3L V-6. I'm glad GM is sticking with naturally aspirated engines as I still say these new turbo motors will have more problems and less longevity down the road.
Feb 15, 2013 (5:44 am)
The idea is to broadly talk about the US auto market and how it's doing and where it's going.
This discussion is not called "I don't like GM, why do you?"
We've already hashed that subject to death so there's no use revisiting all that past history.
#8 of 4929 Re: State of GM [greg128]
Feb 15, 2013 (5:55 am)
I'm not a truck buyer, but I see the new GM pickups to be evolutionary in styling. Personally, I don't think that's a bad thing. I do wonder WTH the Toyota designers were thinking about the front-end styling on the new big pickup. It's so 'busy'. Someone in California did that styling? Could've fooled me.
#9 of 4929 Re: Great idea! [uplanderguy]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:31 am)
down in 2012 from 2008?
I don't think we're quite back to the party the auto industry was having in 2008.
#10 of 4929 Re: State of GM [uplanderguy]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:33 am)
I do wonder WTH the Toyota designers were thinking about the front-end styling on the new big pickup
The chrome front is indeed awful, but it looks fine in body color.
I don't get America's fascination with fake plasti-chrome on anything. I'll take my trim blacked out, thanks.
#11 of 4929 Re: State of GM [uplanderguy]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:33 am)
I'm not a truck buyer, but I see the new GM pickups to be evolutionary in styling. Personally, I don't think that's a bad thing. I do wonder WTH the Toyota designers were thinking about the front-end styling on the new big pickup.
Yeah, the new GM trucks don't excite or offend me. The new Tundra is ugly IMO.
I don't know if GM went far enough with the new trucks considering how long it has taken them to develop the new model. It will only be a year or so until Ford has another new F150 out and Ram won't be far behind.
With the GM trucks I'm most curious about the 4.3 v6 and the 6.2 v8. The v6 with its displacement advantage might have enough torque for effortless light towing <6k lbs, and good economy while empty. On the other end, I'm curious to see what the power numbers and FE are on the 6.2. Can it match Ford's EB in regards to low rpm torque and FE. But Dodge offering a diesel is a big deal IMO. Real world 20+ mpg, and towing ability has me thinking a Dodge may be in my future.
#12 of 4929 Re: State of GM [dieselone]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:39 am)
GM did add DI to all engines, at least.
Toyota didn't upgrade the powertrain at all - a mistake.
Dodge comes in with a diesel so they're the dark horse in this race.
#13 of 4929 Re: State of GM [ateixeira]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:43 am)
Plus Dodge will be the first to offer an 8 speed transmission. I think the next wave of truck improvements likely will be in weight reduction.
The GM trucks will certainly be up to date and competitive, but at this point, I don't see anything that really leap frogs the competition. Power and fuel economy are the x factor as GM hasn't released that info yet.
I like the Ram a lot. The diesel is certainly interesting.
#14 of 4929 Re: State of GM [dieselone]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:52 am)
Bingo - they didn't leap frog competitors. That was their mistake. You have to think 5 years ahead, to compete with trucks that haven't even launched yet.
#15 of 4929 Re: State of GM [ateixeira]
Feb 15, 2013 (7:46 am)
That's true in general, cars as well. We've seen the same problem in that area.
You're starting to see a divide similar to other industries. Large,well-established companies are deeply invested in status-quo, while smaller, more agile companies tend to bring about disruptive change to an industry...and said larger companies live in eternal dread of those smaller companies.
GM is one of those large well established companies. Frankly, so are Toyota and Honda. You're seeing the disruptive advances come from the likes of Ford, Nissan, and Mazda. Toyota's last "disruptive" change was hybrid tech, and that was years ago now.