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#4340 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 30, 2013 (12:34 pm)
BMW is itching to reduce costs in its lower-level lines of vehicles, and one way they are doing it is by creating a wider front-wheel-drive platform which will be used on Mini's, X1's, etc.
It's been my overall experience that when the costs start going under the knife, so does quality, so I'm expecting to see some quality issues spread into those lines that go FWD in the next few years.
The one thing I think I've learned in buying BMW's is that you're much better off buying a vehicle after the mid-life refresh cycle (reliability-wise) than buying a new model immediately after it's been introduced.
#4341 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [busiris]
Oct 31, 2013 (4:22 am)
Anecdotal for sure, but I just got back from New Orleans and had a friend pick me up in his 3-series wagon which I think is something like a 2006 or 2007. 328xi, mid level features and in great shape. Anyways the thing rode like brand new and exhibited zero squeeks, rattles or pops for a car which is essentially an "Extreme commuter". Needless to say I was shocked to look over at the odometer and find it had just under 248 thousand miles on the clock and apparently has needed very little in the way of unscheduled maintainence. The only thing it exhibited was a slipping transmission which at that age and mileage is nothing to argue with. Those GM sourced transmissions have always been a weak spot for BMW (which is why I've always been recommended to buy manuals if I am buying a Bimmer) but this one is certainly going the distance...
This is the same guy who put around 330k miles (ironically) on a 2004 330xi with little to no problems before the thing literally caught fire on him which in the end turned out to be from neglect. The engine overheated and he continued to drive it trying to limp it home...
Still, the reputation for high maintenance and low reliability don't seem to be the case for his cars. He swears by them.
#4342 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [anythngbutgm]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 31, 2013 (8:31 am)
Well the cars are well built but i bet if you pinned him down and opened up his records, you (and maybe he himself) would be surprised at how much was spent on the car per month to keep it rolling. As for the slipping transmission, once that it fixed, you add that substantial cost into the number of months he's owned the car, and it's going to add $50--$80 to his monthly cost to own.
My car looks great and has never ever broken down on me, but cheap to own compared to a Honda? No way.
I do envy his rattle free environment, though. Sport suspensions and large wheels beat the crap out of a car.
#4343 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 31, 2013 (9:53 am)
City streets beat the crap out of a car. That's why I drive a tough and durable Grand Marquis as my daily beater.
#4344 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 31, 2013 (9:58 am)
Yes, sport suspensions (and even after market coil overs that are even stiffer) do make a car get bounced around a bit harder.
But these well built cars (like my A3 with 105,000 miles plus) are built for this. You will wear and tear the wear parts maybe a bit faster. Tracking the car 2 weekends a year also adds to it.
For instance, I needed to get new motor mounts around 90,000 miles and new front strut mounts (clunking badly) at 104,000 miles.
After those repairs however, targeting two or three specific parts, the car rides smooth, quiet, and rattle/noise free. Our bad CA roads however, challenge the opportunity for smoothness and make it limited.
My Dodge had so many rattles by 60,000 miles that you could no longer count them. Would be easier and cheaper to replace the whole vehicle than try to eliminate all the noises.
#4345 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [andres3]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 31, 2013 (10:20 am)
Some roads, like the Nimitz Freeway in Oakland are so bad I actually had to add steel re-inforcement plates to the top of my shock towers. Some cars are susceptile to de-formation. My lower control arm bushings have been pounded into dust.
I wonder, as infrastructure continues to deteriorate, if car makers will respond with extra-tough suspensions? Maybe as an option, like "urban survival kit--$1295--includes heavy duty suspension, lo-jack, floor safe, bumper overiders, locking gas cap, extra side moldings, run-flat tires, extra capacity cabin filters...."
#4346 of 4824 2013 BMW X5 Rental Anecdote
Oct 31, 2013 (10:00 am)
Unless the headrests are power and I couldn't find the button, the head rest on the driver's seat was indeed broken in my 2013 X5 rental recently.
No matter what I did, or no matter how much force used, I couldn't get the dang headrest to move up for my 6'3" frame.
3 points against BMW on quality, durability, and reliability.
#4347 of 4824 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 31, 2013 (10:06 am)
That reminds me, the drive from Twentynine Palms to Baker (on the way to Pahrump, NV (near Vegas) probably hastened the death of my original OEM suspension mounts in front.
A knock against Cal-Trans for sure, but on certain sections of the highway between Baker and Twentynine Palms, CA, the asphalt roadway was so deteriorated that it was like driving on a pin cushion surface, and I did it at 70 MPH for quite a stretch. Probably ill-advised.
I didn't think that kind of deplorable 10th-world quality road would last for miles and miles and miles in the State of CA. Maybe in a poor 3rd world country, but not USA. Cal Trans should be abolished.
#4348 of 4824 Re: Hi-milers hold onto your wallets [andres3]
Oct 31, 2013 (10:18 am)
Let Darwinism prevail...the world is FULL of idiots like your non-seatbelt wearer.. and this dim bulb who was protesting against helmet laws.
The problem with this though, is that our taxes are constantly raised in order to treat the ar*e in hospital. It's a (relative) bargain if he dies at the scene of the crash. Worst case is if he lives in a vegetative state with constant care paid for by us.
And for insult upon injury, the poor bugger didn't even know how to brake properly on a bike...probably entirely ignoring the front brake all together. Used too much rear brake, it slid out and then grabbed, and then high-sided the guy...probably from a compressed suspension too when it found traction, which can really catapult ya when it releases..probably had some serious air to boot.
I feel badly for this as*'s family due to their loss, but it could have been worse...he could have involved one of them too
#4349 of 4824 Re: Hi-milers hold onto your wallets [gimmestdtranny]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 31, 2013 (10:23 am)
Well those Harley monkey-bars are one quick way to die. And that to diminished reflexes at age 55, and a bike that weighs too much, and very bad roads, and your odds keep getting worse.