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#4336 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [Michaell@Edmunds]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 30, 2013 (10:06 am)
that's a good move. She'll need it.
#4337 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 30, 2013 (10:09 am)
I guess it's kind of ironic, considering that the cars keep getting better and better, but I'm finding that I don't want to keep them past the warranty period, anymore. Now I've only bought two brand-new cars in my whole life...a 2000 Intrepid, and a 2012 Ram. The Trep had a 3/36K bumper to bumper and a 5/100K aftermarket warranty, and I did keep it to 10 years and 150,000 miles, and would have kept it longer if it hadn't gotten totaled.
The truck is 3/36K bumper to bumper, and powertrain is either 5/50K or 5/60K. But I don't drive alot these days, so it'll probably only have about 25-30K on it at the 5 year mark. I've thought about trading just before then, just to get back into something new and under warranty.
#4338 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [andre1969]
Oct 30, 2013 (10:46 am)
"The truck is 3/36K bumper to bumper, and powertrain is either 5/50K or 5/60K. But I don't drive alot these days, so it'll probably only have about 25-30K on it at the 5 year mark. I've thought about trading just before then, just to get back into something new and under warranty."
Are you sure about the powertrain warranty? Mine is 5/100k miles. I thought all Chrysler products went to 100k powertrain warranties about the same time GM did.
As for how long to keep a car, usually by 100k or so, I'm ready for something newer. I owned the Expedition for 5 years which is the longest I've ever kept any vehicle and it had about 130k miles on it which is the most miles I've put on any one vehicle.
As for the Ram, I don't know how long I'll keep it. Kind of depends on how well it holds up.
#4339 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [dieselone]
Oct 30, 2013 (12:15 pm)
In just the last ten years, I think Chrysler has offered at least 4 different varieties of powertrain warranty on their vehicles. From 3/36 to "Lifetime" with 100 fine print exclusions of course.
I wouldn't put it past them to make decent power trains one year, and then use all the partially defected manufactured product the next year (sometimes known as rejects or B-stock), and of course, that particular year they are using junk will have the shorter warranty, and when they use the good stuff you get the longer version of warranty that particular year. Wouldn't put that past them at all.
That's the kind of "morals" Chrysler execs have.
#4340 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 30, 2013 (12:34 pm)
BMW is itching to reduce costs in its lower-level lines of vehicles, and one way they are doing it is by creating a wider front-wheel-drive platform which will be used on Mini's, X1's, etc.
It's been my overall experience that when the costs start going under the knife, so does quality, so I'm expecting to see some quality issues spread into those lines that go FWD in the next few years.
The one thing I think I've learned in buying BMW's is that you're much better off buying a vehicle after the mid-life refresh cycle (reliability-wise) than buying a new model immediately after it's been introduced.
#4341 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [busiris]
Oct 31, 2013 (4:22 am)
Anecdotal for sure, but I just got back from New Orleans and had a friend pick me up in his 3-series wagon which I think is something like a 2006 or 2007. 328xi, mid level features and in great shape. Anyways the thing rode like brand new and exhibited zero squeeks, rattles or pops for a car which is essentially an "Extreme commuter". Needless to say I was shocked to look over at the odometer and find it had just under 248 thousand miles on the clock and apparently has needed very little in the way of unscheduled maintainence. The only thing it exhibited was a slipping transmission which at that age and mileage is nothing to argue with. Those GM sourced transmissions have always been a weak spot for BMW (which is why I've always been recommended to buy manuals if I am buying a Bimmer) but this one is certainly going the distance...
This is the same guy who put around 330k miles (ironically) on a 2004 330xi with little to no problems before the thing literally caught fire on him which in the end turned out to be from neglect. The engine overheated and he continued to drive it trying to limp it home...
Still, the reputation for high maintenance and low reliability don't seem to be the case for his cars. He swears by them.
#4342 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [anythngbutgm]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 31, 2013 (8:31 am)
Well the cars are well built but i bet if you pinned him down and opened up his records, you (and maybe he himself) would be surprised at how much was spent on the car per month to keep it rolling. As for the slipping transmission, once that it fixed, you add that substantial cost into the number of months he's owned the car, and it's going to add $50--$80 to his monthly cost to own.
My car looks great and has never ever broken down on me, but cheap to own compared to a Honda? No way.
I do envy his rattle free environment, though. Sport suspensions and large wheels beat the crap out of a car.
#4343 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 31, 2013 (9:53 am)
City streets beat the crap out of a car. That's why I drive a tough and durable Grand Marquis as my daily beater.
#4344 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [MrShift@Edmunds]
Oct 31, 2013 (9:58 am)
Yes, sport suspensions (and even after market coil overs that are even stiffer) do make a car get bounced around a bit harder.
But these well built cars (like my A3 with 105,000 miles plus) are built for this. You will wear and tear the wear parts maybe a bit faster. Tracking the car 2 weekends a year also adds to it.
For instance, I needed to get new motor mounts around 90,000 miles and new front strut mounts (clunking badly) at 104,000 miles.
After those repairs however, targeting two or three specific parts, the car rides smooth, quiet, and rattle/noise free. Our bad CA roads however, challenge the opportunity for smoothness and make it limited.
My Dodge had so many rattles by 60,000 miles that you could no longer count them. Would be easier and cheaper to replace the whole vehicle than try to eliminate all the noises.
#4345 of 4930 Re: Unreliable [andres3]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Oct 31, 2013 (10:20 am)
Some roads, like the Nimitz Freeway in Oakland are so bad I actually had to add steel re-inforcement plates to the top of my shock towers. Some cars are susceptile to de-formation. My lower control arm bushings have been pounded into dust.
I wonder, as infrastructure continues to deteriorate, if car makers will respond with extra-tough suspensions? Maybe as an option, like "urban survival kit--$1295--includes heavy duty suspension, lo-jack, floor safe, bumper overiders, locking gas cap, extra side moldings, run-flat tires, extra capacity cabin filters...."