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#1 of 4839 The State of the US Auto Market
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Feb 14, 2013 (2:25 pm)
After a lot of downs, it's looking more positive.
#2 of 4839 Great idea!
Feb 14, 2013 (9:51 pm)
We were using the old forum for a variety of things and this title appears to make more sense.
Still, a bit of a surprise!
It looks like the auto market is recovering nicely. Lots of pent up demand after the great recession. And lots of effort from many makes. My view of the makes at this point:
GM - trying, probably not hard enough. Some good new product. Still needs a better family sedan, and image is suffering after the bailout.
Ford - was doing well, more innovative than GM across a broad lineup. Recent electronics gremlins threaten their revival.
Chrysler - reviving quite a bit, but from near dead. A long way to go.
Toyota - appears to have recovered from recent years of recalls and sudden acceleration. Needs a new Corolla.
Honda - Lost its way most of last decade. The new Accord is better and the Civic is improved. Not convinced they've done enough.
Acura - even more lost than Honda.
VW - Americanizing their cars which appears to be working even though I don't really like the changes. Still needs higher reliability and a better dealer network.
Others - trying hard. Subaru is a good niche player. Mazda has some good stuff.
#3 of 4839 Re: Great idea! [tlong]
Feb 15, 2013 (3:19 am)
Simple question to ask:
Was anyone shocked that GM's pickup sales were down in 2012 from 2008? They were the oldest trucks on the market.
Someone (ahem) had posted elsewhere that news, without a link to where it was from, as if that were shocking news.
#6 of 4839 Re: State of GM [circlew]
Feb 15, 2013 (4:55 am)
The new Silverado fails to excite -
They look impressive to me. Conservative styling, a beautiful interior and supposedly best in class fuel economy from reworked engines including a
more powerful aluminum block 4.3L V-6. I'm glad GM is sticking with naturally aspirated engines as I still say these new turbo motors will have more problems and less longevity down the road.
Feb 15, 2013 (5:44 am)
The idea is to broadly talk about the US auto market and how it's doing and where it's going.
This discussion is not called "I don't like GM, why do you?"
We've already hashed that subject to death so there's no use revisiting all that past history.
#8 of 4839 Re: State of GM [greg128]
Feb 15, 2013 (5:55 am)
I'm not a truck buyer, but I see the new GM pickups to be evolutionary in styling. Personally, I don't think that's a bad thing. I do wonder WTH the Toyota designers were thinking about the front-end styling on the new big pickup. It's so 'busy'. Someone in California did that styling? Could've fooled me.
#9 of 4839 Re: Great idea! [uplanderguy]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:31 am)
down in 2012 from 2008?
I don't think we're quite back to the party the auto industry was having in 2008.
#10 of 4839 Re: State of GM [uplanderguy]
Feb 15, 2013 (6:33 am)
I do wonder WTH the Toyota designers were thinking about the front-end styling on the new big pickup
The chrome front is indeed awful, but it looks fine in body color.
I don't get America's fascination with fake plasti-chrome on anything. I'll take my trim blacked out, thanks.