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#22 of 31 Re: Will a top view (bird's-eye view) camera option be available on 2014 HL? [whatcanisay3]
Jun 18, 2013 (10:18 am)
Other companies need those bells-and-whistles. How about making a better SUV?
Toyota makes a stud of an SUV that gets up to 28 MPG combined. When will the competition catch up to that feature?
#23 of 31 2014 Highlander (Stud) needs to offer Bells and Whistles--->The Competition
Jul 29, 2013 (2:33 am)
To those guys who think Toyota (Highlander) can rest on its 'laurals' and not offer improved/additional tech and safety features to maintain a competative edge and market share, you are sorely mistaken. Why do you think the new 2014 Highlander is offering all the updated tech and safety features on the 2014 vs 2013 Highlander and improved spacious, quiet and more user-friendly cabin atmosphere/environment on the 2014 HL? It's not for guys like whatcanisay, empoweredbc and myself, it's for the moms and grandmoms who more and more increasingly have significant input on the final decision for a household and family on what will be the safest and most comfortable ride for them and their family and to bring their kids and grandkids to school, sporting events, grocery shopping, etc, etc. And they should. Toyota should lead not follow! Don't the former tech giants Microsoft, and now Apple teach us a lesson or two about resting on 'laurals' ---> following and not continuing to be leaders/innovators?
When the 2014 Highlander hits the Toyota dealers in ~ January it will face stiffer and stiffer competition, which is good because we the consumers are the ultimate benefactors by improved and better products. Competition is good!
I/we currently own a 2010 Highlander LTD AWD (purchased new) and like it alot, but I am (with significant input from my wife and daughter---Re: grandkids) seriously considering upgrading to a new 2014 HL LTD AWD, or one of it's competitors, with all the new tech and safety features ('bells and whisles') now or soon to be offered. I previoulsy owned a 2003 Honda Pilot (purchased new) before I traded for my/our current ride, but became frustrated with Honda's 'laurals' approach of not addressing the well documented and anoying road noise issue (RNI), which was one of the major reasons I traded the Pilot for the much quieter HL (instead of getting an updated Pilot). Apparently Honda has finally gotten the message from owners of Pilots (and other Honda products) and Consumer Reports persistent negative comments about the Honda RNI and are addressing it in much improved soundproofing in new releases (ie, 2013 Accord and 2014 MDX), and reportedly in the upcoming complete make-over of the 2015 Pilot (to be revealed at the Jan 2014 Detroit Auto Show, and reportedly to hit the Honda dealers shortly thereafter, Q1/Q2, as an early release).
Other 2014 Highlander Competitors
I recently test drove the completely revised 2013 Nissan Pathfinder, and found it to be a nice ride with good acceleration but was surprised to find it did not have most of the tech and safety features that most of the new mid-sized SUVs/CUVs now or are soon to offer (for example, it does not have Blind Spot Monitor/Warning, Lane Change/Departure Warning/Alert, Rear Cross-Traffic Alert, etc, even in it's higher trim levels---Platinum and Platinum Premium, nor will these features be offered for perhaps another 2-4 years); additionally, leg room for the driver and front passenger is quite cramped for long-legged folks like myself in the new Pathfinder, whereas I have no problem with leg room in the HL, so the Pathfinder does not pass muster on several levels. I also recently test drove the newly redesighned 2014 Kia Sorrento LTD AWD which does have all the tech and safety features the 2014 HL LTD AWD reportedly will have, but the Sorrento doesn't ride as nice as my 2010 HL LTD AWD, AND the driver's seat is/was VERY uncomfortable compared to my HL, even on a short test drive (after repeated adjustments), so it is out of the question for me.
I also recently test drove the newly revised 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee LTD AWD (and Summit AWD) (V-6 gas and V-8), and the 2014 MDX Tech AWD and was very impressed by both of these HL LTD AWD competitors. The main disadvantage to the Jeep Grand Cherokee (JGC) is that it only has 2 rows vs 3 (but I/we rarely use the 3rd row on our HL), whereas the JGC is a super off-road (one of the very best, in fact) and very well behaved on-road performer, has superior towing ability over the HL, AND will soon be available with a V-6 diesel that will give maximum grunt (torque), while being able to deliver impressive fuel efficiency (28-32 MPG) and good acceleration, very impressive for a 5,000 lb vehicle. (If 3 rows is a must consider JGC's cousin, the newly revised 2014 Dodge Durango R/T AWD and Citadel AWD with diesel). The diesel JGC LTD AWD will probably cost ~ $2-4 K more than a loaded 2014 HL LTD AWD, but that initially higher cost will soon be made up after 2-3 years of Jeep ownership due to better fuel efficiency ( 15,000 mi/yr). BTW, the 2014 JGC LTD AWD diesel up-charge is considerably less than the $6-8 K up-charge Toyota charges/penalizes buyers of the hybrid HL LTD AWD over the non-hybrid HL LTD AWD for the same 28 or better MPG that the 2014 JGC AWD diesel gets, don't you agree empoweredbc? I have not yet test driven the 2014 diesel JGC LTD AWD, but the reviews in the automotive press are full of praise. I plan to test drive the diesel as soon as they hit dealers in my area (reportedly Q4/2013).
The 2014 MDX Tech AWD disadvantage compared to the 2014 HL LTD AWD is cost (estimated $6-8 K+ differential, after discounting in 6-12 months)(however, cost of 2014 MDX Tech AWD will be about the same as the 2014 hybrid HL LTD AWD, but somewhat less fuel efficient: 22-23 vs 28 MPG), and premium fuel (MDX) vs regular (HL), but this is really only ~ $170/yr/15,000 miles/yr 22 MPG for each vehicle. The advantages of the 2014 MDX Tech AWD over the 2014 HL LTD AWD is that the MDX has (from my/our perspective) a much better exterior/interior design and layout of the dash/center stack, better nav unit + larger screen(s), better steering wheel controls, better sound system, etc, AND performance (better road-holding AWD system, and acceleration).
So going into 2014 my short list is: 2014 HL LTD AWD, 2014 JGC LTD AWD Diesel, and the 2014 MDX Tech AWD; I will need to compare/test drive these guys some more over the next 8-12 months + 2015 Pilot before I/we make a final decision.
The following excellent and candid video and print reviews by Alex Dykes describe/showcase the 2014 JGC AWD and the 2014 MDX AWD. Click on the following links to view: JGC (link title); MDX (link title ). I'm looking forward to Alex Dykes reviews of the 2014 HL LTD AWD, Dodge Durango R/T AWD diesel and 2015 Honda Pilot Touring AWD in 4-8 months.
Please share your comments and suggestions. Thanks!
#24 of 31 JGC vs 2014 HL LTD
Aug 14, 2013 (9:57 pm)
"BTW, the 2014 JGC LTD AWD diesel up-charge is considerably less than the $6-8 K up-charge Toyota charges/penalizes buyers of the hybrid HL LTD AWD over the non-hybrid HL LTD AWD for the same 28 or better MPG that the 2014 JGC AWD diesel gets, don't you agree empoweredbc?"
The two vehicles are more apples and oranges. Their target demos should not be the same. A hybrid not meant to go off-road with 3 rows vs a 5-seater diesel with extreme off-road ability.
If you drive more city/grocery getting/carrying family, the hybrid will be better on gas. I would EXPECT 25-30 MPG in normal use. If you are heavy on hwy driving, and may use the vehicle more as a camp site caravan, the JGC will probably be better. I would EXPECT around 30 MPG in hwy use, but more like 20 MPG as a city crossover
The JGC will be a better luxury vehicle, but it will be more expensive than the most expensive HL. The HL will be bigger, roomier and more versatile for family needs
The JGC is more for active singles who want the image the Jeep provides, want a lot of lux, and occasionally take other couples to dinner on Friday nights. The HL is more of a straight family vehicle.
#25 of 31 Re: 2014 Highlander (Stud) needs to offer Bells and Whistles--->The Competition [ushy66]
Sep 08, 2013 (2:48 pm)
Ushy: Thanks for your detailed post. I'm shopping some of the same vehicles. I can't do the JGC though since it's 2-rows only. (Wish they'd come out with the new Grand Wagoneer!)
Right now I'm between the 2014 Highlander LTD AWD, the 2014 MDX Advance AWD, and the 2014 Durango Citadel AWD. Other contenders might be the Ford Flex Ecoboost or the Explorer Sport.
(By the way, there is no diesel Durango yet as far as I know, at least in the US. If there was I'd be driving it already! I think Chrysler has said they'll wait to see how the RAM 1500 Ecodiesel sells).
The Highlander seems to have the competition beat on MPG and price, but unfortunately it's still not in showrooms. To get ventilated seats and Adaptive Cruise Control on the Acura you need to move up to the Advance package. Acura's ACC is "low-speed follow" and Dodge's ACC is full-range "with stop" -- not sure if the HL's ACC will be full-range/speed or just over ~20 mph.
Another potential competitor I'm considering waiting for is be VW's Crossblue, three rows with a diesel hybrid in concept form, but that might be a year or more wait?
Thanks again for your post. I'll keep following this forum -- hopefully we'll see the Highlander soon!
#26 of 31 Re: 2014 Highlander (Stud) needs to offer Bells and Whistles--->The Competition [dhalloran]
Sep 08, 2013 (6:03 pm)
Don't think the 14 Highlander is due out until late in the year, then several months later comes the '15 Honda Pilot based off the new MDX last I heard. Of course, coming out and dealers having much inventory are two different things. Probably need to add a few more months for all of that.
#27 of 31 'Panoramic View Monitor' Option
Nov 13, 2013 (2:37 pm)
The Toyota Harrier is an SUV/CUV vehicle sold in Japan that shares many design elements, parts, and safety features and content with the Highlander and Lexus. The completely redesigned 2014 Harrier will be revealed in a couple of days at the 2013 Toyota Auto Show, and is previewed in the following link: link title. Page down on the previous link and click on 'Press Release' for more info. One of the new technologies/safety features that will be introduced on the 2014 Harrier is the 'Panoramic View Monitor' to help Toyota owners be able to park in tight locations, but also to act as a security feature for owners of Toyota cars and SUVs/CUVs as the driver approaches their vehicle in parking lots, especially on dark nites.
Safety and Driving Support
Some of Toyota's most advanced features are available on the redesigned Harrier, including a Panoramic View Monitor9 for improved lateral visibility. This system combines video from four cameras mounted to the front and rear sides of the vehicle, offering a view of everything happening around the car, including in blind spots. The display is automatically adjusted based on gear-stick operation, with the system able to display enlarged views from above the vehicle. Users are notified of pedestrians and objects approaching from the front and rear sides. This is a Toyota-first feature.
This technology can be easily linked to smart phone apps (soon to be developed), so a driver can easily activate this tech and monitor the area surrounding their vehicle on their smart phone as they approach the vehicle, to help avoid close encounters with 'the bad guys.'
It is my hope and request that Toyota adds this important safety feature to the 2014 Highlander, to make it easier to park in close quarter situations, and help keep our families safer.
Toyota's competition has also introduced similar tech in high end vehicles (Aud Q5/Q7, BMW X3/X5
and M-B ML/GL), but also in the 2014 Nissan Pathfinder, the Around View Monitor:
Around View® Monitor
Using four cameras, the class-exclusive Around View® Monitor (AVM) creates a composite image of the 2014 Pathfinder from above and displays it on the touch-screen monitor. This helps visually confirm the vehicle’s position relative to the lines around parking spaces and adjacent objects, allowing the driver to maneuver into parking spots with more ease. [*]
Honda/Acura is also working on a similar technology/safety feature and will introduce it soon on the Odyssey, Pilot, and MDX.
#28 of 31 2014 highlander
Nov 14, 2013 (1:54 pm)
Ltd version comes with,blind spot monitor w/ Rr cross traffic alert,smart stop tech, folding htd pwr side mirrors,backup camera w/ 8in disp,rear package sonar, etc
#29 of 31 Re: 2014 highlander [tachida2]
Nov 14, 2013 (10:47 pm)
Thanks for your post tachida2.
Yes, the 2014 HL LTD will reportedly come with the items you mentioned, but thus far I have not seen any credible info stating the 2014 HL LTD will come with the Panoramic View Monitor/Camera System, described in post #19 and #27. But I hope it will.
#30 of 31 2014 HL and HHL Pricing and Availability
Nov 23, 2013 (8:14 am)
It's not long now. For just released pricing and availability info for the 2014 HL and HHL, click on this link: link title .
#31 of 31 Princeton Plant to Begin Highlander Production
Dec 03, 2013 (8:35 am)
December 2, 2013
PRINCETON, Ind. –Toyota Indiana and its team members will be joined Thursday by community leaders to celebrate the start of production of its all-new 2014 Highlander.
The launch of the new Highlander is a significant milestone for the company and represents an additional $430 million investment responsible for 600 jobs at the automotive manufacturing facility.
Toyota Indiana and community leaders
Start of production for the all-new 2014 Toyota Highlander
Thursday, Dec. 5
Source: Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indiana Inc.