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#131 of 281 Re: 2013 Accord 4DR EX-L V6 (no NAVI) ISSUES! [frogee]
Feb 08, 2013 (4:22 pm)
As you noted, I did not feel the "vibration" during a pretty long test drive. In fact, the vibration did not occur until about two weeks later. Since that time, it has been consistent in the same ~1600 to 1800 RPM range, as noted by others in the forum. Although not mentioned in the forum, the vibration does not occur until the engine warms up. I assume that the VCM does not engage until the engine reaches a specific temp. Has anyone else noticed this? I have also contacted Honda and let them know that this vibration certainly does not feel "normal". I was told, I would get a call back in a couple days. I will anxiously wait by the phone!
#132 of 281 Re: 2013 Accord 4DR EX-L V6 (no NAVI) ISSUES! [rodut]
Feb 09, 2013 (2:27 am)
The Acura RDX has VCM on it's six cylinder. I believe that is the only model.
#133 of 281 Re: 2013 Accord 4DR EX-L V6 (no NAVI) ISSUES! [quality4us]
Feb 09, 2013 (11:51 pm)
Will you please post the Honda tracking numbers for the screeching audio and the vibration when in 3-cylinder mode problems. I am very interested in buying an Accord Touring IF all the sexy features work properly. I would like to be able to track these two issues myself. Frankly they are deal breakers for me for this car.
#134 of 281 Re: 2013 Accord 4DR EX-L V6 (no NAVI) ISSUES! [stevp]
Feb 10, 2013 (4:03 am)
Precisely why I wait until late in a new model year or yr 2 to buy.
#135 of 281 Re: 2013 Accord 4DR EX-L V6 (no NAVI) ISSUES! [jmaxe]
Feb 10, 2013 (8:21 am)
Let me preface my comments with the fact that I am an avid Honda enthusiast, and have driven Hondas for years, in addition to purchasing 3 for my children over the past 5 years.
I test drove an Accord EXL V6 with Navi yesterday. The car was absolutely beautiful, and the different, yet subtle exterior styling changes really work. When I got in the car, I was extremely impressed with the luxurious feel the car has to it. Absolutely loved the dash layout, and how comfortable the car was. Didn't care so much for the push button start (not sure why the auto industry has created a need for push button start). I'd prefer not to have it in my car. I also didn't care for the right side mirror camera; I really don't think I can ever stop the habit of looking over my right shoulder, regardless of the camera or not. Other than that, Honda really hit the mark with overall exterior and interior styling.
But, most importantly, the very first time I pushed down the gas pedal, the car stuttered at first, and then started to move along. It did it several times during the test drive. I was disappointed, and then I thought that I have never purchased a first year new model production Honda. Jmaxe brings up a great point. And, it is one that I preach all the time. Yet, I simply got caught up in the moment of purchasing the 2013 Acccord. However, I didn't get it. Hopefully, they will get the issues sorted out, and I look forward to test driving a 2014.
Feb 13, 2013 (12:41 pm)
All - I have had a Honda with a 6 cyl VCM for years with no vibration issues and car has nearly 40k on it. There is a counterbalancing system in this engine to compensate for the imbalance when the cylinders shut down.
Issue with the '13 Accord is that the 6 cyl engine is new - it is part of their earth dreams program where the engine is more efficient. This engine will be going into other honda and acura products so in time, they will work out any vibration issues but as a first year product, it may take time to find a workaround.
#137 of 281 Re: VCM Issues [albert72]
Feb 13, 2013 (7:43 pm)
"... there is a counterbalancing system in this engine ..." !?!
I would bet $1,000 that you have no clue what you are talking about. A mechanical counterbalancing system, to compensate for the 3 dead cylinders, would be extremely complex and costly. With or without VCM, the engine is basically the same. They stop feeding 3 cylinders, and I think they disable the valves. The coupes (2012 and 2013) have a VCM V6 if they are automatic, and a regular V6 if they are manual. Do you think Honda developed one engine for the the automatic V6 coupe, and another engine for the manual V6 coupe ?! It's absurd.
They installed some fancy engine mounts (to allow the engine to shake freely, without transmitting too much vibration to the car body), and an "active noise cancellation" which is a signal sent to speakers which cancels some of the engine noise (not the vibration obviously).
I never understood why some people post, when they have no clue what happens under the hood. It makes the discussion more confusing, and less interesting.
#138 of 281 Eh gad! I think I'll keep my 2012 Camry SE
Feb 14, 2013 (9:34 am)
I've been toying with the idea of trading in my Camry next year and going back to Accord (still my second car). But I have to admit, after reading these "early adopter" posts, I'm having second, third, fourth, etc. thoughts ... This is one of the most disappointing threads for a new car that I've read in a long time - and that includes Chrysler (say no more!)
Seems as though Honda needs to get new software developers for the dashboard system and ... I can't imagine what the deal is with the CVT.
I want to honestly thank all of the posters here for giving me a "heads up" on this car.
#139 of 281 Re: Eh gad! I think I'll keep my 2012 Camry SE [mawd]
Feb 14, 2013 (12:12 pm)
Can you provide some pluses/minuses for your current 2012 camry SE? Toyota has some awesome lease deals right now that i am reviewing while i wait for Honda to offer something on the Accord. For example, the 2012 Camry SE Limited Edition that retails for $27084 can be leased for 35 payments of $250 (6.5% tax included) with zero down. i realize that TFS does not include gap insurance and there is a $350 disposition fee but wow, what a deal...
#140 of 281 Re: Eh gad! I think I'll keep my 2012 Camry SE [pegasus17]
Feb 14, 2013 (1:48 pm)
Sure. Here's what I'd say. At the time I was buying (Fall of 2011), it was hands-down the best car on the market in its class - neither the new Fusion, nor Altima, nor Accord had yet appeared, so the decision was easy. I never liked the Sonata (though I have to admit I might have looked more closely at the Kia Optima had I thought about it - very sharp car with a very nice interior).
I had no idea, BTW, that I'd end up with a Camry. I went looking for an Accord, but the last generation was such a ponderous, poorly-equipped barge that I crossed it off my list with little additional thought. Nothing made me sadder; I've been a Honda guy for years.
That said, here are the pluses to the Camry SE: very roomy, extremely quick for a 4-cylinder, excellent 6-speed automatic (very smooth shifting with little lag), paddle shifters (for those so inclined), idling so smooth I sometimes forget it's running (went shopping one day with the car running the entire time I was in the store - YIKES!!! - came out and tried to restart the car), nice handling with well-weighted steering (biggest surprise for me, given my experience with rental Camrys of the past), nicely firm ride, and extremely comfortable front seats with lumbar support on the driver's side.
From what I've read here, Toyota is much more competent with respect to electronics. My car has the Entune system, which I'd highly recommend. It comes with Siriux/XM, GPS navigation (if so ordered), backup camera, a fully-functioning bluetooth implementation (I have had two iPhones pair with it flawlessly), a very fine six speaker stereo system (Panasonic), no static (LOL), and software for monitoring your gas mileage real time if you'd like. I also think the car looks nice in an understated way. Also, the brakes are excellent - very well weighted and much more communicative than on my Accord.
Cons: You see yourself coming and going 15,000 times a day (LOL)! I really wish the car still came with a 6-speed manual (discontinued this year, a sign of the times), gas mileage - while good - isn't what I'd hoped (33 highway and 24 city), handling - again while good - isn't as responsive as on my old Accord (I'd like to drive a 2013 Accord to see how it feels).
Otherwise, I really can't complain. So far, with 14 months of ownership, it hasn't given me any troubles (very Toyota). Only time will tell. At the moment though, I'm quite satified.
I hope this has helped.