Last post on Oct 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM
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Toyota Prius, Hybrid Cars
#36 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [bobw3]
Oct 30, 2012 (2:54 pm)
If I was to buy a Prius, I'd get the big one. Might as well maximize potential utility, as the consumption increase is nominal. It also looks less dorky to me - closer to an ordinary tall wagon.
I know the diesel E isn't an apples to apples comparison with a Prius, but I used it to show that conventional cars can be efficient too. I would seriously consider a 4cyl diesel E if it was offered here...I might even spring for the manual if we got it (Europe does). E250 diesel wagon would be an ideal car,just pricey.
Enthusiastic driving - being able to corner without tipping over, precise throttle and brake inputs, some kind of steering feel, stable non-floaty ride, engine that doesn't run out of breath at random rpm ranges, etc.
I understand what you mean in the "fun to drive" idea - the idea of driving a fast car slow vs a slow car fast. My fintail is more fun to drive than the E55, even though the latter has near supercar performance, and does everything effortlessly. That's kind of the fun, operating the quirky old car and working hard to make it perform, being able to hit the limits without being a felon. I don't know if I would find the same fun in making a modern slow car perform, however. Like my mother's 4cyl Camry - driving it is a numb experience. It's a deluxe model toaster. Not all slow cars are equal. I can't imagine any Prius is more fun. I don't see much appeal in driving a car that is so dull that normal traffic makes it feel like it is working hard.
I don't know if fun cars are in an all out decline on the way to being replaced by toastercars though - most sporty new model debuts have been met with much fanfare. Guzzler fun cars are waning, due to fuel costs, greenie image, and the expanding socio-economic chasm making running one an impossibility.
I get irritated when I get behind a hybird driver hypermiling it and playing with the mpg readout when he should be merging with traffic or maintaining a certain speed. It's a disease around Seattle anyway.
#37 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [fintail]
Oct 31, 2012 (6:05 am)
If you see me in a Prius, you will really know TSHTF! I'd also go for the Prius V as it would have the most utility for a nominal sacrifice in fuel economy.
#38 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [lemko]
Oct 31, 2012 (10:23 am)
Really depends on what a person needs. If they were looking at buying a typical 4 door sedan with a trunk, then a regular Prius has more than enough utility; however, if they're looking at a wagon or small SUV, then a Prius V would be a better fit. Or if you were looking at a compact Corolla, Fit, Civic, Focus, etc., then a Prius C would be comparable.
#39 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [lemko]
Oct 31, 2012 (10:29 am)
I think you'd be in a Volt before a Prius. Actually, in a weird way, the Volt has kind of grown on me. Not something I'd buy, but I am less jaded about it now.
Prius C roller skate...no better than an Insight to me, and a CR-Z or Civic hybrid might be better. Normal Prius is a little nerdy in an in your face way. Prius V it is.
#40 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [fintail]
Oct 31, 2012 (10:33 am)
"nerdy" is pretty subjective, although I admit that I wouldn't be caught driving in a Nissan Cube or Smart car!
#41 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [bobw3]
Oct 31, 2012 (10:58 am)
I could see a Smart Diesel for urban use, but a Cube - amusing to look at, but I wouldn't want to do so every day.
Also, Brian the dog on "Family Guy" drives a regular Prius, which isn't a big selling point to me
#42 of 42 Re: Why Does Edmunds Hate Hybrids? [lemko]
Oct 31, 2012 (2:53 pm)
If your going to drive a Prius V on the highway, it helps to be hard of hearing.