Last post on Nov 29, 2013 at 10:19 AM
You are in the Ford Escape
What is this discussion about?
Ford Escape, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Please note the engine, AWD/FWD, type of gas you buy, and something about the type of driver you are and your driving conditions (city/highway, commuting) when you post about your mileage.
#67 of 626 Re: 2013 Ford Escape Titanium 2.0 AWD: No Eco in my Ecoboost [automelon48]
Nov 03, 2012 (11:53 am)
all 91 octane doesn't have No ethanol, you have to make sure that it doesn't. in most areas, you can find no octane in any grades, though it's getting harder to find. No ethanol gas does improve your gas mileage, and it usually is 15% higher in price. I had been putting no ethanol in my 300C, but it's getting so hard to find, I no longer do. But my gas mileage averaged 23 mpg compared to 20 with ethanol.
#68 of 626 Re: 2013 Ford Escape Titanium 2.0 AWD: No Eco in my Ecoboost [fortherock]
Nov 04, 2012 (5:55 pm)
Hate to inform you but the EPA does its Mileage tests with 100% Gasoline
They do NOT, repeat Do NOT use Ethanol in their testing for mileage!!!
Premium Gasoline Does contain up to 10% ethanol as well.
Check for yourself about 3/4 down the page.
#69 of 626 Re: 2013 Escape 2.0 [bigmclargehuge]
Nov 04, 2012 (5:59 pm)
Do EPA fuel economy estimates account for the use of ethanol blends that are common today?
No. The EPA fuel economy tests use 100 percent gasoline, and no adjustments are made to account for ethanol. Most conventional vehicles using E10 (10 percent ethanol) will experience a 3 to 4 percent reduction in fuel economy.
Why don't EPA fuel economy tests use ethanol-blended gasoline now that most gasoline contains ethanol?
EPA fuel economy tests are conducted according to Federal testing regulations which require 100 percent gasoline. These regulations could be changed, but changing them would be somewhat problematic. While it is common for gasoline pumps to allow for up to 10 percent ethanol, the actual amount of ethanol blended into the gasoline varies greatly, and fuel blending requirements vary by state. Changing the test methods would also make it difficult to compare vehicles tested with ethanol blends with those tested with straight gasoline. So, without a national standard for blended regular gasoline and a Federal mandate to change the test fuel used, the EPA will not change the test fuel.
Now do you feel you have been LIED to?
#70 of 626 Gas at Most Marinas in Ethanol Free because
Nov 04, 2012 (6:09 pm)
Because Ethanol destroys Boat engines and their Gas lines and other power equipment, Therefore the EPA allows marinas and some Landscapers (professional) know where to buy Ethanol free fuel as well as it destroys their power equipment as well even when treated with marine grade stabil!
#71 of 626 Intelligent 4x4 screen.
Nov 07, 2012 (9:21 am)
I usually drive in the "Intelligent 4x4 screen" to see how much power is being applied to the front wheels. I have noticed that ALL the tires have power applied during takeoff and to about 200 or 300 yards and maybe farther (getting on it and sneaking up on it makes no difference).
I was wondering how many of us getting 22-23 mpg are seeing power applied to ALL wheels during this time...
I brought this up to my service tech and he didn't have a good answer yet.
Passed 2000 miles and climbing, regular fuel, still no better than 22 to 23 mpg 60/40 split.
#72 of 626 Re: Intelligent 4x4 screen. [sportclimber]
Nov 07, 2012 (3:32 pm)
That's a great observation!! I see exactly the same thing, where all 4 wheels are involved for a little while every time you accelerate from low speeds, and it seems to taper off after a little while (10 secs or so?).
Does that make any sense? I'd expect that kind of AWD system to be involved only when there's wheel slippage, not all the time on acceleration, especially on super smooth takeoffs?
Doing a lot of stop and go in heavy traffic, it seems like more than 50% of the distance I cover is with all 4 wheels getting power, which may help explain my abysmal city mileage?
I'm also very curious to see others chime in!
#74 of 626 Re: Intelligent 4x4 screen. [h3ll3r]
Nov 09, 2012 (4:42 am)
I'm getting 24-26 mpg routinely right now, and mine does this too. It probably does contribute to the extra-low stop-and-go city fuel economy you guys are seeing. I just have enough non-stop-and-go cruising to offset the effect (longer distances before lights, highway and interstate cruising, keeping it at 65 or under where possible).
I feel for you, if this is the case, and if you have no way of avoiding all the stop-and-go driving to improve your fuel economy. On the other hand, I quite like the feel when taking off, especially compared to most FWD-only vehicles I've driven. The Escape feels much more like most RWD or 4WD vehicles I've owned, in that I don't get any steering wheel tugging (even lightly) as I take off. Even under heavier acceleration I don't notice torque steer, though I've read at least one post somewhere from a 2013 FWD Escape owner that *has*.
#75 of 626 Re: Intelligent 4x4 screen. [usa1fan]
Nov 09, 2012 (8:28 am)
So it's probably the way it's been programmed and all of them probably behave that way... For sure I'm also happy with how the car feels and drives and all, I've never felt any torque steer either!
However, while I'm just an end-user and not a car engineer, this 4WD system doesn't seem optimized enough to me. I've read online that: "Ford explained the system analyzes data from 25 external signals, including wheel speed, accelerator pedal position and steering wheel angle, assessing road conditions and driver input 20 times faster than the blink of an eye."
Well obviously, there's no need for 10-15 seconds of full 4WD when doing a straight, smooth, gentle low-acceleration takeoff with no wheel spin, in city traffic! And this happens all the time.
I fully understand the benefits when driving harder, or on slippery surfaces, etc, then performance becomes part of the equation and we'd want all the 4WD help we can get...
Hoping that this is software-upgradable stuff that can be further optimized down the road!
#76 of 626 1.6L Ecoboost FWD 38.1 MPG
Nov 09, 2012 (5:05 pm)
Took another 96 mile trip today! 85% HIGHWAY. Easy on start ups found the sweet spot to be at 53 mph !! Very excited with todays results of 38.1 MPG!
Driving habits dictate the mileage... Faster = More Fuel . IMO mpg has nothing to do with octane or ethanol. I used regular gas with 10% ethanol.
Love my little : 1.6L Ecoboost FWD ......................