Last post on Nov 29, 2013 at 10:19 AM
You are in the Ford Escape
What is this discussion about?
Ford Escape, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Please note the engine, AWD/FWD, type of gas you buy, and something about the type of driver you are and your driving conditions (city/highway, commuting) when you post about your mileage.
#314 of 626 Re: Not a fuel sipper but good MPG for weight & towing ability [steve_]
Mar 02, 2013 (3:36 pm)
Steve, I am trying to do some tests on various fuels in my Escape (2.0 FWD) to see if I can track any difference. So far I don't really see any, but I want to run lot's more tanks through, before I draw any conclusions.
Generally speaking, a Normally Aspirated engine that is designed to run on regular, will not see any benefit to running Premium. Agreed.
These Escapes with the turbo MAY be a bit different. In my opinion, these engines should really run Premium, as they push 18 lbs of boost through the turbo. That being said, modern engine control systems (like the one on the Escape) are very good at utilizing any fuel you feed them. They don't knock or complain at all.
When the specs say that the Escape will make more Hp on Premium, that tells me that it is able to adjust and utilize all of the octane in the fuel. (unlike a lower compression NA engine like the ones generally referred to in the article) That being the case, it should be running at designed efficiency also, while utilizing all of the octane.
I also have a Normally Aspirated car in the driveway and it is designed for Regular. I never run Premium in it, as I know there would be no mileage or HP gains. (and perhaps even mileage and HP loss)
The one big factor here is that some gas stations advertise somewhere between 0% and 10 % Ethanol in their Regular fuel. (depending on region, season, local laws, availability etc etc)
Many gas stations (depending on region) advertise that their Premium fuel does not contain Ethanol. This can be a mileage benefit.
It's a real crap-shoot trying to figure out what you are ACTUALLY getting at some stations.
I have been cycling through 5 tanks Premium, 5 tanks Regular and 5 tanks with UP TO 10% Ethanol. If I ever get conclusive results I will share them. It's quite difficult when there are weather changes etc, to have consistant testing.
By the way, when the turbo is pushing at full boost, it raises the effective compression of the 2.0 motor from 9.3:1 all the way up to 20.7:1 (calculated for sea level)
No doubt a little extra octane could be used !!!
#315 of 626 Re: Not a fuel sipper but good MPG for weight & towing ability [automelon48]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 02, 2013 (4:30 pm)
That's great; I really don't drive enough consistently anymore to try that. A tank these days will last me a month or more unless we do a road trip.
Guess it's time to mention pure-gas.org again for those wanting to try ethanol free gas. It's around here, but like your area, it's only available in the premium flavor.
#316 of 626 Re: Not a fuel sipper but good MPG for weight & towing ability [steve_]
Mar 02, 2013 (4:53 pm)
That's awesome, steve! I sure wish I could get by driving so little that a tank of gas lasted that long.
For those asking, yes, we do have a 15 gallon tank. Ford's fuel gauge calibration is very conservative, as posted above.
And some of us do actually routinely get above the EPA combined numbers. I've been able to exceed the EPA highway number too, but only with a whole lot of effort and driving 55 mph maximum everywhere. My 'normal' (based on driving with regular traffic- higher speeds, quicker launches and all) is between 24 and 26 though, with a 60/40ish mix (it's fun estimating these %'s too- what exactly IS city for EPA versus me, or highway?).. 2.0l AWD SEL.
For what it's worth, since the EPA's updates, I've had a lot harder time beating the numbers posted on windows stickers than with other vehicles. Example- the 2008 Malibu LTZ V6 I owned prior to the Escape always was in the range of the posted sticker, but only rarely got to 30 mpg or above (again, acheived it, but VERY hard to do). It was probably right at 26mpg in the same conditions I get 24-26 for the Escape. Given that one is more aerodynamic, FWD, naturally aspirated, and the other had more frontal surface (higher C/D), AWD, and a turbocharger, I don't feel robbed. I do however, think cars produced since the change in testing standards tend to be harder to get above the numbers on the sticker.
My favorite cars for fuel economy are still older cars- our 2004 Malibu LT V6 (the first 3.5l GM offered in them, rather than the later version), routinely got over 32mpg, with a best-ever tank of over 38 (all hand-calculated, because I kept logs back then, too lazy now).
#317 of 626 why do people buy fords?
Mar 02, 2013 (8:18 pm)
I can't understand why people buy fords. The way they treat customers and the issues they have had in the past, don't people read the posts buy people who have bad experiences. It is not that hard with the internet surceases to research manufactures. Sure every now and then someone will have an issue, but with ford it is quite common. Look at all the issues they have with the diesel engine in their pickups. In my opinion if a manufactures will not improve one product line, then their other lines are bound to have issues. I purchased a Mazda CX 5 and with 2,000 miles and get 28 miles per gallon in mixed driving, and no problems or recalls. The 28 is what is advertised and Mazda's get better consumer ratings than ford. Wise up consumers.
#318 of 626 Re: Not a fuel sipper but good MPG for weight & towing ability [steve_]
Mar 03, 2013 (4:21 am)
My wife put in one tank of super, due to the station being out of other grades.
That tank and several subsequent fill ups have netted a noticeable improvement in mileage. Was it the octane change? I don't know.
I had asked her to run 3 tanks of super in a row, but I think she forgot, but that's ok.
Now I'll be able to run my own tests because I picked up my own 2.0 ecoboost, although in a Fusion, and I keep very detailed mileage records.
#319 of 626 Re: why do people buy fords? [utahdriver]
Mar 03, 2013 (4:27 am)
Yesterday, I brought my wife's Escape in for the first service 5000 miles.
She has not had one problem with it and it has every option on the menu.
While there, I didn't see any other plated 2013 Escapes in the yard, so either people are driving them, or they haven't sold any.
If I wanted to buy a nice underpowered mini ute, I'd pick a CX-5.
#320 of 626 Re: why do people buy fords? [utahdriver]
Mar 03, 2013 (4:36 am)
I bet if you took the time to check, instead of trolling a Ford forum, you would find customer service and vehicle complaints on Mazda, Kia, Toyota and Hyundai forums too. You have the right to post here, but if it's only to bash Ford owners and Ford and to brag about your Mazda, don't bother, I at least could care less about how smart you are and how great your car is.
#321 of 626 Re: why do people buy fords? [tim156]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 03, 2013 (5:44 am)
Actually it's off-topic in an Escape MPG discussion, but I knew you guys would stick up for your rides.
Funny that Ford owned a controlling interest in Mazda not too long ago. After reading all the CX-7 engine complaints, I hope the bugs have been worked out of the CX-5.
#322 of 626 Re: Vehicle mileage? [automelon48]
Mar 03, 2013 (6:09 am)
Thanks! Missed your post the first time. I'll try this.
#323 of 626 Re: why do people buy fords? [utahdriver]
Mar 03, 2013 (11:38 am)
Actually, using complaints on the Internet as a basis to judge a company is wasting your time. I have yet to read a single forum about fuel economy where there aren't posts complaining that there's something wrong with the car, sue the manufacturer for fraud, yadda, yadda.. The same goes for other topics in general.
No car is perfect, and every model has a few lemons slip out of the factory. Combine that with the fact that people are much quicker to post about a problem than they are if everything works fine, and you will see overly negative pictures painted fr practically all brands and models, at least if you take what you see on the forums at face value.
The real benefit of these complaints is to see what problems *are* cropping up, and, if possible, how to deal with them in the case that you experience them. Sometimes, like with this topic, there may not be an answer (or one you want to hear).
Hope you like your CX-5. I prefer to have more power and a better looking ride, myself, even if, like all things here, that's a subjective determination based on my preferences and taste.