Last post on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 PM
You are in the Ford Escape
What is this discussion about?
Ford Escape, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
Please note the engine, AWD/FWD, type of gas you buy, and something about the type of driver you are and your driving conditions (city/highway, commuting) when you post about your mileage.
#181 of 565 Re: 2013 Titanium 2.0 Gas Mileage Issue-HELP [lip1122]
Jan 20, 2013 (12:47 pm)
lip1122 Sorry to hear about your troubles with fuel economy. By the look of your expected numbers, you appear to have the 2.0 FWD, is that correct?
If so, I have the same setup. I have recorded the first 12 tanks of gas and have been between 20.6 and 27.6 MPG with my average at 24.2. All winter driving with snow tires.
If you are convinced that it is your vehicle (and not your right foot, traffic patterns, etc) then you should try to take some proof to the dealership. I have used the OBDII port with a wireless "dongle" and an iPad app called DashCommand to monitor my engine functions and fuel-economy while driving. See post 435 and subsequent posts on that topic, under the 2013 Escape forum.link title
Maybe you could monitor your mileage on a short trip with a mechanic and discuss your results?
Let the mechanic drive, to see what mileage he/she can get.
The DashCommand app shows instantaneous mileage, one minute averages for 5 minutes, 5-minute averages for 30 minutes and 30-minute averages for 3-hours. (and the overall average, which you will find, agrees with the overall average you see on your Escape dash)
#182 of 565 Re: 1.6L Ecoboost FWD SEL [h3ll3r]
Jan 23, 2013 (7:21 pm)
I have a 2.0L 4WD SEL I live in Mississauga and my driving is a mix of hwy and city. I thought my gas mileage was horrific at 420 km a tankful, but yours is even worse. I am way past the so called "break in" period. I have 13500 km. Don't let them fool you into the old break in period speech. I even had my torque converter replaced because of stalling issues and that didn't even help the fuel consumption.
#183 of 565 Re: 1.6L Ecoboost FWD SEL [tl9]
Jan 24, 2013 (7:56 am)
Yeah, I think these cars are really geared towards relaxed highway and light traffic. Stop and go kills fuel economy on this car. I suspect the Turbo engages a lot on acceleration despite our best efforts at taking off slowly.
Last few tanks were slightly better for me. It wasn't that cold yet (nothing like the last week) and I did 376km over 46.9L (12.4L / 100km avg), 95% city.
Now that it's really cold outside, I'm back into the mid-13s.
I drove to Quebec City back and forth over X-Mas, and managed roughly 600-610km with these tanks (averaging 8.4 L/100km), going at 112-114km/h. Quite the difference...
Agree with you on the "break-in" period, there has been little difference for me over time... I'm at 8500km now.
#184 of 565 Re: 1.6L Ecoboost FWD SEL [h3ll3r]
Jan 24, 2013 (9:55 am)
I have done a bunch of monitoring of the turbo boost pressure while driving. My normal acceleration, pulling away from a light (in a 2.0 FWD) takes my RPM up to 2500. There is virtually no boost when I do this. (smooth throttle application and likely no more than 10%)
On the other hand, a couple of days ago I had the cruise control on, and my speed was approx 70Kph (44mph) and the tranny was in 6th gear. It produced 4 lbs of boost at just 1200 RPM. This is because the cruise control was opening the throttle further and further to maintain speed as I went up a gentle hill. (transmission then downshifted)
I have really found the turbo to be a function of throttle position more than RPM. It is amazing how much pull these engines have at a very low RPM, and how much boost they can produce at a low RPM.
#185 of 565 Re: Gas Mileage [mrmonty]
Jan 24, 2013 (6:25 pm)
I just bought my wife the same engine and transmission combo; she complained and after a little research I found out her registered mpg was not 18.5-19.5 but actually 23mpg. My wife stated she could not fill the fuel tank when on empty with 15 gallons, the vehicle would only take 10.8 when the fuel hand was behind the red marker. when I divided 11 gallons into the 255 miles she was using it comes out to 23mpg. Ford for what ever reason has made its fuel sensing gauge not read a total of 4 gallons of gas reserve in the tank. I have argued with the Dealer who says they can't adjust the unit. And Ford hasn't given an answer yet if they will fix it. Most of her driving right now is 95 percent city.
#186 of 565 Re: Gas Mileage [gmen97]
by steve_ HOST
Jan 24, 2013 (7:35 pm)
Folks may want to manually check their mpg for a while to see how their numbers compare to the mpg readout gauge.
"Edmunds Testing Finds Overestimated MPG Is Common."
Your Fuel Economy Gauge Is Fibbing
That said, I've real a lot of posts around the forums where people were getting very close to what the instrument panel was telling them.
#187 of 565 Re: Gas Mileage [gmen97]
Jan 24, 2013 (8:06 pm)
Gas left in the tank (reserve) doesn't impact the mpg calculation. mpg is all about the number of miles driven and the gas that was used to drive those miles. What's left in the tank isn't part of that calculation.
What's impacted is the range, i.e. it'll tell you 0 miles left but there are a few gallons left in the tank. It's the same for me, my biggest fuel-up was exactly 13.0 gallons, and just before I did, the trip computer was telling me a range of 0... and I could probably have added a bit more gas in the tank but it was clicking and I didn't want to risk overflowing...
I calculate every tank manually and compare with the mpg readout: it's always been within 1 mpg or so... most of the times within 0.5 mpg. The difference is usually not in my favor, i.e. my manual calculation comes out a bit worse than the mpg readout, which is a little bit optimistic.
#188 of 565 Re: Gas Mileage [steve_]
Jan 24, 2013 (11:24 pm)
In my own testing I have found the Escape Fuel Economy Guage to read anywhere from 6% optimistic to 3% pessimistic. About half of the time the hand calculated numbers and the displayed numbers are virtually identical.
Average out those numbers and my display is 1.5% optimistic.
I am quite impressed by that, as my previous vehicle from another manufacturer was about 15% optimistic on average.
#189 of 565 Re: 1.6L Ecoboost FWD SEL [tl9]
Jan 25, 2013 (5:26 am)
How many gallons do you consider a tankful? I am used to filling all of my vehicles up at around 1/4 tank or just under indicated on the guage, which is actually between 9.5 and 10.5 gallons to fill, on average (annoying, as others have pointed out, for a vehicle with a 15+ gallon sized tank). Based on that, and on the fact that 420 km is about 261 miles, it doesn't sound like your mileage is very horrific at all. It's anywhere from 24.8 to over 27 mpg, for a vehicle that is EPA rated at 24 mpg combined (mixed, as you say your driving is).
If you're running it to the red on the fuel guage, you could be using up to about 13 gallons for the tankful, though many times my low fuel warning comes on at around 11.8 gallons or so.. Which is why I ask how many gallons you are calling a tankful. That same 261 miles becomes something between 20.1 mpg and 22.1 mpg if you consider your tankful to be running it to indicated 'dry' on the guage.
If you're like most of us, your tankful is probably the 1/4 tank mark or around. If so, you are exceeding the EPA estimates, and are actually in line with my own observations for my 2.0l AWD SEL.
#190 of 565 Re: 1.6L Ecoboost FWD SEL [usa1fan]
by kyfdx HOST
Jan 25, 2013 (5:36 am)
You can't use your gas gauge or the size of your tank to calculate fuel mileage...
Fill your tank
Reset trip odometer
At next fill up, note mileage on trip odometer and divide that number by the gallons needed to fill up.
That number is your miles per gallon..
Nothing else matters.. doesn't matter how big your tank is, how much you have left, how accurate the gas gauge is, etc, etc, etc....