Last post on Oct 23, 2012 at 9:43 AM
You are in the Ford C-Max Hybrid
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Ford C-Max, Ford Fusion, BMW X1, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Hatchback, Sedan
#8 of 12 Re: 2013 C-Max vs Fusion Hybrid vs BMW X1 [pixelwiz]
Oct 22, 2012 (1:23 pm)
very interesting cross shopping --- I also have two out of three of the vehicles I'm considering a bit similar to yours but I'm downsizing from something I don't quite need the extra large size anymore for (an '09 VW Routan SEL) as the last kid is out of college. My three (perhaps 4 as it would be both the C-Max hybrid and plug-in Energi) are the C-Max, an X3 2.8 (turbo 4) and a Honda Pilot. I've already test driven an X3 at a BMW drive event, and a C-Max hybrid but have yet to drive a Pilot and the Energi is still not yet at Ford dealers. The Pilot for sure would probably get the best deal as they have leftover '12's out there and mfg are discounting their big stuff. Why the diversity, well I'm spoiled with the room the Routan gives me as well as I need seating for 5 good sized people a few times a year and an X3 or C-Max would be tighter than something with 3 rows. Of course, one can always rent something bigger which I might do just to try it, as this would be much cheaper than lugging something bigger than you need the majority of the time. I'd be more concerned with the C-Max being in its first year (although sold in Europe for a few years, w/o the hybrid powertrain); the X1 has also been sold over there in big numbers but not in the U.S. --- lastly, the biggest cost for any of these is depreciation and the word isn't in yet on either the X1 or C-Max on how much value they'll retain over time -- not only is this for resale but effects your insurance (i.e., if it gets totaled and you don't have a new car replacement policy). No question the BMW would be the most expensive, uses higher quality materials and in your case be close to usable space versus the C-Max hybrid (the X1 not the X3 I'm considering which is close in size to what the X5 was) ... but is it space you'll really need, that's my main question as well! Besides this forum I'd also check on the owner forums for the X1 and C-Max as a few people have now had these for a little while which is what I'm also planning to do ... as always, people pick a certain make or model using some practical and not so practical reasons as well as previous experience with a brand, etc.
#9 of 12 Re: 2013 C-Max vs Fusion Hybrid vs BMW X1 [early74b]
Oct 23, 2012 (4:18 am)
I've put down a deposit on the C-Max hybrid. X1 base model just didn't have anything worthwhile in it except a good engine and good handling. To get the package I want would be like another $7k or so. I loved driving the Fusion except my left foot didn't feel comfortable and complete lack of cargo space just doesn't work for me. I think the X3 is an amazing car. It's a little too tall for my dog to easily jump into, and a little too expensive for me new. But they hold their value well, and I really like them. So if you can afford the X3, I'd go with that. I've also thought about the C-max energi, but there are no pictures I could find of the trunk yet, and you do lose about 10 cu ft of space, so I wonder how they did it. For me economically it would be perfect cause I work about 10 miles away and go home often for lunch to walk my dog. So a lot of short commutes. But I can't really wait for them to finally start shipping them cause my car is due for service and it's an expensive one, plus new tires, so I kinda just want to put that towards the new one. I'm not a big fan of the Pilot at all, I had a friend who owned one, and it's basically like driving a big truck. It doesn't actually have as much room as you'd think it does, although that was a few years back so I'm sure they got better. I'd still lean German if you can afford them new, BMW gives you 4 years of included maintenance. Audis look great. You can also get a fully loaded Ford Escape for less than the base BMW. Have you thought about something like a CTS wagon? BTW, if you're not in a hurry, bmw 3-series GT and Wagon should be coming soon, and I think they both look great especially the GT, and will have almost as much cargo space as SUV, yet drive like a sports car. But if you're really considering the Pilot then compare it to the Nissan Pathfinder, the new ones looks pretty good. I think the Infiniti XJ just might be the best 3-row Cross-Over, but they are not cheap or efficient for that matter, and I think Audi A7 is just a perfect all around car, except I can't afford one myself even used.
#10 of 12 Re: 2013 C-Max vs Fusion Hybrid vs BMW X1 [pixelwiz]
Oct 23, 2012 (4:54 am)
Good choice on the C-Max. The only thing that would concern me is the fact that it's a first year model, but then the quality of Ford mechanicals has been improving.
#11 of 12 Re: 2013 C-Max vs Fusion Hybrid vs BMW X1 [bobw3]
Oct 23, 2012 (5:07 am)
Yes, I'm a little concerned about that, but it's not really it's first year... It's been in Europe for a long time, it's built on the Focus platform which has been proven to be a good platform, and the hybrid drive is the third generation, that's improved over the 2nd generation from 2012 Fusion Hybrid. Sync is also a few generations old now. Plus I'm a software developer and a tech junkie, I will be kinda happy to find things that need improvements in the car and let them know. The prob give it to my mom in 2-3 years and get the next version if I like it. With all the city driving I do hybrid seems like a very logical choice, and really there are only two to pick from and I really don't want a prius.
#12 of 12 Re: 2013 C-Max vs Fusion Hybrid vs BMW X1 [pixelwiz]
Oct 23, 2012 (9:43 am)
Yes, I know the Pilot is big and a bit ponderous but with Honda cylinder deactivation as well as another gear in the trans, the mileage went up for the '12's and '13's. I do like the concept of a 3 wagon or GT but have been spoiled by the higher ride height (which the C-Max also has) so both of those as well as the Caddy wagon (which I have driven, nice ride but cockpit a bit narrow) are out. The Pathfinder did a decent job on getting its mileage up (20/26) but it's almost as big as my minivan (less than 6 inches separate them and I think the Pathfinder is even wider) so that's out too. My next move is to see how ungainly the Pilot is as well as 'test drive' getting it in and out of my garage as my wife would also drive it -- it has 2.5 in. more clearance side to side than my Routan as well as being a foot shorter so if she can't manage it (she has a tough time getting the minivan out even with a backup camera) that might kill that for something smaller -- the X3 is another 6 in. shorter as well as 4 in. more narrow and of course the C-Max is downright tiny compared to that (another 2 in. more narrow and about 10 in. shorter than the X3)