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Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima
#6 of 13 Re: Will Camry Retain The Mid-Size Sales Lead In '13? [markitdown]
Sep 24, 2012 (7:10 pm)
The Mazda 6 is almost irrelevant in the midsize sales race. They'll be lucky to sell 50,000 in 2013. Even that would be a big increase over 2012. The new model looks sharp and gets good mpg, but is made in high cost Japan.
#7 of 13 Re: Will Camry Retain The Mid-Size Sales Lead In '13? [benjaminh]
Sep 24, 2012 (7:35 pm)
I don't see Honda taking number 1 because as you point out they don't have as much capacity. Also, I don't think the company has the financial position of Toyota to throw cash either. Finally, they do little fleet. However, as Nissan continues its expansion of facilities in the US and Mexico, I could see them Altima taking on Camry in a few years. Fusion won't take number 1, but Ford is adding capacity now that Mazda pulled out of Flat Rock, so they may get closer to Accord down the road (if the car doesn't have launch gremlins and pricing doesn't get out of whack). It should get interesting and with all the increasing competition it may be a boon for consumers.
#8 of 13 August sales, Camry vs. Accord
Sep 24, 2012 (8:25 pm)
Toyota Camry 36,720
Honda Accord 34,848
Surprisingly close. Honda was blowing the old 2012s out the door with big incentives, but to a substantial degree so was Toyota.
But Honda has had to slow production down as they shifted to producing the all new 2013 Accord. I don't think things will be this close again for a few months, at least. I'm not sure when Honda will be up to full production, but probably not until the first months of 2013. At that point, the real race begins.
#9 of 13 Re: Will Camry Retain The Mid-Size Sales Lead In '13? [berri]
Sep 25, 2012 (10:54 am)
Had another thought on this topic. More and more of the transplant production built here is being exported which means the plant with the highest output may not translate to US #1 vehicle sales depending on how the production is sold - domestic versus export.
#10 of 13 Re: Will Camry Retain The Mid-Size Sales Lead In '13? [berri]
Sep 29, 2012 (3:53 am)
The Toyota factory in Georgetown, KY, and the Honda factory in Marysville, OH, are actually closer in size and production capacity than I thought.
Toyota can make up to 500,000 vehicles a year in KY, probably 450,000 of those Camrys.
But Honda can make up to 440,000 vehicles at Marysville....And they can import from Japan or make at another US factory more Accords if the demand is there. In other words, it is possible for the Accord to pass the Camry in sales in 2013. It may be unlikely, but it is quite possible.
Here's the official Honda site on the Marysville factory, as well as a quote:
"....Originally building only Accords, the plant today is the sole global source of the Honda Accord Coupe, the Acura TL and the Acura RDX, while also building more than 90% of the Honda Accord Sedans sold in America. The plant is highly integrated with metal stamping, welding, painting, plastic injection molding and two final assembly lines under one roof.
Location: Marysville, Ohio
Started Production: November 1982
Plant Size: 3.6 million square feet
Capital Investment: $4 billion
Models in Production:
Acura TL Sedan
Annual Production Capacity: 440,000 vehicles"
#11 of 13 Going out on a limb
Oct 21, 2012 (12:01 pm)
I think the Camry will hold for about 1/2 way through 2013 as #1. I feel Accord will steal the number 1 spot from Toyota. I am also going to predict the new 2013 Ford Fusion will be a huge hit for Ford and move into the #3 spot by the end of 2013. Ford is increasing its production in the United States. Now Ford and GM need to come out with a 2 door version of the Fusion and the Malibu in order to compete in this market segment. And they will also be able to count these numbers as sales of this car line.
#12 of 13 Re: Will Camry Retain The Mid-Size Sales Lead In '13? [benjaminh]
Oct 21, 2012 (7:21 pm)
"The Toyota factory in Georgetown, KY, and the Honda factory in Marysville, OH, are actually closer in size and production capacity than I thought. "
Toyota also builds a significant amount (like 100K) Camrys at the Subaru Plant in Indiana. Honda will need more than Marysville to outproudce Camry. I thought at one point Honda had a plant in Mexico that made some Accords. I don't know if that is still true. Ford is also bringing Fusion production to a second plant (Flatrock) so I expect them to be pushing hard for increased sales.
#13 of 13 Yep, Camry will retain number 1!
Mar 04, 2013 (4:01 pm)
Competition is indeed heating up and there's better looking cars most would say, but the Camry is the best value! Why? Traditonal engine and drivetrain configuration (no premium req turbo, no super high fuel pressure DI and no clunky belt driven CVT)
Also, it's cheap to insure because so many are sold, cheap to operate because of re-sale, mpg, intial cost and low maintenance! Car is more upscale now and better in every way (was already top seller too)! CRV , Rav and Prius (regular) should be on your list too-can't loose with these either! Thanks, Picky Engineer that bought 2.5 SE with pwr seat as only optionfor $22k+T & L only and couldn't be happier (first new car in decades and I've rented most of the competition) Will drive to 200k as wifes commuter and bet I don't due anything but tires, filter, oil and get 30 mpg avg for 65% hwy!!