Last post on Oct 28, 2013 at 8:17 PM
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#45 of 54 Re: press request [rrollntdi]
May 30, 2013 (6:29 am)
So let's use $2.30 instead of $1.44 for the TDI and let's say you electric cost is 1/2 the average, so $0.40 for the C-Max, so for the 225 days you’re saving about $427 (2.3-.4)225. Let’s say you’re saving another couple of hundred per year in other short trips using the house’s electricity, but again, on any long highway drives you take, the TDI will get the better MPG. To be generous, you might be saving $700/year in gas compared to the TDI, or about $3500 after 5 years. Now it depends on how much more the C-Max Energi costs compared to the TDI.
As another comparison, with my Prius your commute savings would be about $200/year. That’s with getting 46mpg in the Prius average both ways. On top of that would be the better highway MPG in the Prius for road trips that would probably cancel out the advantage of the plug in electricity savings.
Again though, it depends on driving style. If you’re using the plug-in C-Max for short trips most of the time you might be better off. Let’s say you’re getting $0.02/mile for 50% of your driving from the plug-in(and that’s generous since the Leaf users average $0.035/mile) and $0.09/mile in hybrid mode (avg 38mpg $3.5/gal) and you drive 10,000 miles per year, then you’d pay $550 for those 10,000 miles.
A regular Prius getting $0.07/mile (48mpg $3.50/gal) would cost you $700 for the same 10,000 miles driven, so you’d save $150 per year with the C-Max Energi, but the C-Max Energi costs about $5000 more than a regular Prius, so that’s a 33 year payback time. Now if you drove 90% of the 10,000 miles using plug-in power, that would cost $270 in the C-Max Energi to drive the 10,000 miles, or $430 less than the Prius. With a $5000 price difference you’re looking at an 11 year payback time. Of course even then you’d have to figure that with the very high quality and proven reliability of the Prius, over 11 years of driving you’d have more repair costs in the Ford C-Max.
Anyway, a lot of factors to consider. Let us know when you can calculate the increased electricity cost from plugging in your C-Max Energi. What's really needed is a cost per mile comparison versus an MPG comparison.
#47 of 54 Great way to compare MPG to MPGe
Jun 10, 2013 (1:51 pm)
Wikipedia has a page that lists MPGe of all Plugin Hybrids and Full electric vehicles.
The data is from EPA and looks like a great way to compare mileage since they have used the same formula to compare them. It lists costs to drive 25 miles and an average yearly fuel costs.
They even have the toyota privius listed so you can compare the costs.
#48 of 54 Re: Great way to compare MPG to MPGe [greenroger]
Jun 18, 2013 (8:19 am)
Nice article, but of course it all really depends on the amount of highway vs city driving, plus the cost of electricity, but it generally makes sense to me. That's why for now I'm sticking with a regular Prius at $1,050 annual cost to drive, especially with plug-ins costing at least a few thousand more with reduced trunk space. Probably the best combination is a full electric as the commute car and a regular Prius as the other car for vacations and other long, highway uses. I can't wait to see the next generation Prius.
#49 of 54 Re: press request [bobw3]
Jun 28, 2013 (7:20 am)
Well I finally looked at my paperwork and my PIH C-Max was about $100 more than a comparable Jetta TDI. At a running average of 76 MPGe, it shouldn't take long to make that back. A PIH Prius was $2k to $10K more. A Hybrid Prius was about $3K less, but it's not a PIH is it? I wasn't impressed with the driving dynamics or interior of a Prius either. I love my car's interior, IP, driving dynamics and lack of wind noise at highway speeds. I can go over 1000 miles on 10 gallons of gas which translates to a fill up every 3rd or 4th week. I like not sending my money to the Middle East, to people that may turn on the US at any time. I also like the profits going to a domestic auto company, 'Buy American!'. I think people are looking seriously at the C-Max over the Prius or Jetta and buying it.
#50 of 54 Re: press request [rrollntdi]
Jun 28, 2013 (11:11 am)
I respect Ford more over the other US companies, as they chose to deal internally with their issues, rather than go the bankruptcy and bailout route.
I'm also looking at the CMax, but I'll wait a bit more to let any issues come out. I remember the first gen Volt cable issues, and the first gen Leaf onboard charger weakness. With these cars, they are inventing as they go.
Jul 01, 2013 (9:27 am)
A reporter is interested in talking with someone who bought a hybrid within the past year. If that describes you, please email PRedmunds.com no later than Wednesday, July 3, 2013 with the make, model, month of purchase and a few lines about your experience.
#52 of 54 Great MPGe So Far
Oct 03, 2013 (2:11 pm)
I got my 240V charging station and finally got the separate meter installed Monday, so cheaper charges are now an option. Over the weekend I drove my C-Max Energi to Northern Michigan and back and averaged about 46 MPGe over the entire trip with 2 charges. I drove the Expressway at 70 mph and 2 lane roads at about 62 mph for a total of about 520 miles. Today my car has 9460 miles on it and I've only driven about 2600 on gas(about 29%). My car computer has calculated an average of about 82 MPGe on nearly 4000 miles driven before the last tank. The lifetime average was nearing 61 MPGe, but the trip brought it back down to a little less than 60 MPGe. It usually goes up about 0.1 or 0.2 a day in my usual driving. The Summer weather helped and I know the fuel economy won't be as good over the Winter.
#53 of 54 Anyone have a problem with active park assist?
Oct 09, 2013 (4:17 pm)
I've had my C-Max hybrid for a month now, and the active park assist has worked flawlessly... until yesterday. I avoided clipping the front car during active parking assistance last night by asking my passenger to look out the window to tell me if the car was really turning too close to the other vehicle. It was, and I aborted the automation and parallel parked the old fashioned way. Today, I allowed the system to parallel park my car, and while slowly letting the car back up, it turned too quickly and pushed my front fender into the bumper of the car in front of the parking spot. I was moving very slowly at the time, because it looked like the system was misjudging distances... however, the damage was done. There is now a nice indentation on my driver-side front fender. There was nothing unusual about either parking spot, both were plenty large, and the cars and curb were normal. Has anyone else had the system malfunction as to turn too soon and run into other parked cars? I'm not sure how to explain the incident to Ford, unless if continues to malfunction in the same way. Needless to say, I have a front fender to repair due to the cars maneuvering and I'm afraid to let it try to park the car again. Anyone have similar experiences?
#54 of 54 Post Mid-2013 Software Update comments
Oct 28, 2013 (8:17 pm)
Fellow owners, I'm curious of your perceptions concerning the effects of the recent software update. I had it done in late August or early September. My first impression was that I was getting about 3 MPG more post-update, perhaps better than that on the highway. In fact, ever since the update, until a recent cold snap the car was reporting 47- 48 average MPG. That being said, on my first two post-update tanks, I hand-calculated my MPG from the gallons pumped, and for two tanks in a row, I was 3-4 MPG below what the computer reported. The computer had been no more than 2 MPG high before, and a couple times was within 1 MPG. Is anyone else noticing a less accurate computer estimate of MPG post-update?
(I don't want to be all negative. I think the car behaves better in the 60-65 MPH speed range than before. I still love the C-Max, and I have had better than 40 MPG observed and calculated ever since my second tank of gas in April. The car is reporting lifetime MPG of 45.1, and actual MPG is probably around 43. )