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#44 of 134 Re: 2013 Accord Production [markitdown]
Sep 20, 2012 (2:40 am)
markitdown: Yeah, I'm with you on waiting a little while until inventories go up and prices ease a little.
That's great that they are already up to making 6000 Accords a week. Probably in another month or two they'll be at 7000 a week. If they can make cars 50 weeks a year, that translates to Honda's annual sales goal for the new Accord of 350,000. And I think at full tilt that huge Ohio factory could actually make 8000 a week (or 400k a year) if the demand is there.
For calendar year 2013 there is going to be a real battle royale for midsize car customers, and all major players are building up their capacity.
I think Toyota can make 450k Camrys in KY
Honda can probably make 400k Accords
Nissan has said by 2013 they can make 400k+ Altimas
Ford with a plant in Mexico and one in Michigan can probably make 400k Fusions
Hyundai is going to around the clock production in Alabama, and might be able to make 300k Sonatas.
Even though the midsize segment is huge, and growing faster than the rest of the market, I doubt there are enough customers for all of these cars.
And so my guess is that even by December of this year, and certainly by sometime in early 2013, prices will likely ease a bit even for Honda Accords.
But Honda has clearly made their best Accord ever, and has also tried to top pretty much every player in the market with this car. It will command a small premium over most other cars in the segment, and deservedly so imho...
Sep 22, 2012 (11:39 am)
for the naysayers out there the 2013 accord is the best put out on the market in quite sometime. The Nissan Altima is junk and so is the Sonata. The Sonata does not even have a four-cylinder and will fall apart at about 80,000 miles. I drove and took home a 2012 Camry Se four-cylinder and I have to tell you the fit and finish was horrible the interior was cheap wth rubber or some kind of plastic on the doors and on the outside near the fog lights was a very cheap black plastic that will fade in about one year.just not the fit and finish of the Honda. The Camry drove okay but was nothing special. Can't wait to drive the 2013 accord and hopefully trade in my current car.
#48 of 134 Re: Naysayers [owned3hondas]
Sep 22, 2012 (11:50 am)
I won't get in to disputing your opinions, as they are just that. However, I will correct a factual error. The Sonata does indeed have a four and also a turbo 4. Maybe you meant to say it doesn't have a six which is true.
I have looked at the new Accords and it looks like Honda has done an excellent job with it. But the Sonata, Camry, and Altima are also very nice cars. They just each have different strengths. (These are my opinions, but various reviews do back them up, in general.)
#49 of 134 Test drive this AM
Sep 22, 2012 (2:22 pm)
Initial impressions: Good job, Honda!
The car: EX-L V6.
I found the ride smooth on most surfaces, though highway concrete slab seams and similar short, sharp bumps are both heard and felt. Doubt it would be an issue for most. It is certainly quieter than the last few Honda sedans I have driven - even with the moonroof in the vent position, as I typically drive, all year round. I found it to feel agile and responsive. The electric steering felt fine, to me.
The V6 is smooth and certainly has enough grunt – and combined with the 34 MPG highway EPA rating, is an impressive engine- again [ still ]. The new 6-speed transmission generally works well,
I found the seats and driving position quite comfortable – and had no issue with the headrest. NVH was well under control. [ I had the stereo turned off the whole drive. ] The big horizontal bar graph of instant MPG in the center of the speedometer I find useless.
One oddity noticed – several times, on a winding back road, the LDW yellow light in the dash [ accompanied by a warning chime ] displayed. Although I and the salesperson both saw this as LOW [ suspecting a PDI oversight = low tire pressure…. ]
I certainly hope this is something that can be permanently turned off??
For me, it was annoying, distracting & NOT helpful!
The other issue, for me is how Honda groups equipment and color offerings for the 2013. I would really prefer the EX-L equipment level [ minimum to have the V6 and 6-speed automatic], but without the LDW, the Blindspot camera and the Backup camera – for example.
Also, the Sedan is simply not available with the V6 and the paddle shifters. I have come to use the paddle shifter on my current coupe a lot – I enjoy the extra measure of control they offer. It would be very difficult for me to give up that aspect. The paddles shifters are only available on the 4 cylinder CVT Sport Sedan. Not even available on the ‘range topping’ V6 Touring Sedan. According to online information, the Coupe V6 does offer the paddle shifters – but most every exterior color offered on the Coupe comes only with a black interior. Not something I prefer, very impractical here near Hotlanta.
My ideal Honda seems unlikely to be assembled anytime soon.
[ EX-L V6 Automatic Sedan , paddle shifters, blue or red exterior, gray interior. ]
[ sigh ]
I do like the car, quite a lot, but . .
#50 of 134 Re: Test drive this AM [rayainsw]
Sep 22, 2012 (3:13 pm)
ray: Thanks for the good report! Yeah, I hope the LDW can be turned off too. Let us know if you find out about that.
#51 of 134 Re: Naysayers [rich27514]
Sep 22, 2012 (10:06 pm)
I have been the original owner of many Honda vehicles, and I currently have four of them in the garage including a 2005 V6 EXL Sedan.
My Accord has 125,000+ one owner miles. I have been starting to get the itch to replace it, so I was waiting to see what the new generation Accord would be like before I did anything.
I am a very hands on driver. For me, the reports of shoddy electric steering and the lack of direct control over the 6-speed auto, are non starters. There is no circumstance I buy this car unless those two things are remedied.
Beyond that, the styling of the stock 17" rims is horrid - too many spokes. Perhaps they are fuel efficient, but so are moon caps and no one uses those anymore. You don't get into a decent looking factory wheel option unless you go 18", which for me is not worth the added expense near term or long term.
Sorry Honda - I may be one of your biggest fans and I have been enamored with your work for decades, but this sedan is a no-go. You got rid of the bug-eyed headlights that kept me from buying previous generations, and finally gave it the 6-speed auto we always wanted, but you effectively preclude us from interacting with the transmission in any way beyond selecting forward or backwards?
E P I C - F A I L
#52 of 134 Re: Naysayers [stealth916]
Sep 23, 2012 (2:19 am)
The reports that I've read say that the electric power steering is pretty good on this Accord. And where are you going to find hydraulic steering today anyway on a midsize car? That is simply not available as far as I know. All manufacturers have phased it out for mpg reasons.
Why not test drive the Sport model with the 18" wheels and paddle shifters? You've read reports, but that's not the same as driving the car yourself. Yes, it's a CVT, but it's supposed to be a near revolutionary CVT that shifts a little like a regular auto. Or maybe you should try the best-in-class 6 speed manual?
I don't think you can really say whether you liked it or not or whether it failed or not until you drive it yourself. But if you do, hope you'll come back and give us your report with all of the good points and not-so-good points about the car.
#53 of 134 Inside Line Article
Sep 23, 2012 (6:20 am)
5 Cool Things About the New 2013 Accord
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2012/09/five-cool-things-about-the-new-- - 2013-honda-accord.html#more
Here's part of the story:
"....The manual transmission. Say what you will about Honda’s fall from enthusiast-driver grace, but one signal Honda’s serious again is the availability of 6-speed manual transmissions for both the 2.4-liter 4-cylinder (185 hp/181 pound-feet and 189 horses for the Accord Sport trim) and the snarly single-cam 3.5-liter V6 (278 hp) in the Accord Coupe when it launches Oct. 19.
That’s an honest-to-goodness 3-pedal manual; don’t go looking for one of those in the Nissan Altima or Hyundai Sonata and we figure given the general direction of the family-sedan market, it would’ve been all too easy for Honda to go all-automatic, too. The 6-speed manual is standard for all 4-cylinder versions of the 2013 Accord sedan and coupe. And we’ll throw this in for what it’s worth: Honda’s all-new automatic for all 4-cylinder Accords is a continuously variable job. But before you cringe, Honda’s CVT is, as of this moment, the best of the breed. It quasi-mimics shift points and imparts a decidedly more agreeable perception of engine speed and acceleration building in tandem.
2. The chassis. Don’t blubber about losing its double-wishbone front suspension (even though ditching same for the Civic indeed was a mistake): the new Accord handles a little. Rides great, too.
Credit a couple of new components. First, a special non-contact torque sensor for the electric power steering may sound arcane, but it does seem to have added a better degree of response – we’re not saying feel – to the Accord’s power steering. Even the current-best EPS out there can struggle to replicate the kind of response to steering input that decades of hydraulic power steering conditioned us all to expect.
Second, the 2013 Accord’s got serious front dampers. With an eye toward minimizing body roll and, the front dampers have an internal rebound spring and optimized fluid and valving. Besides impressive body control for the new Accord, what’s the takeaway from this shock talk? Expensive – Honda made a costly choice to help improve the Accord’s handling and ride. Although nobody’s saying it straight out, this basically is the shock Honda uses for many Acura applications...."