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#76 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [steve_] by wwest

Aug 09, 2012 (3:01 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 09, 2012 2:59 pm)
Rear drum brakes can't be used to simulate an LSD nor would they work well with the type of brake modulation required today.

#77 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [wwest] by steve_ HOST

Aug 09, 2012 (3:14 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Aug 09, 2012 3:01 pm)
Makes sense and I wish my older cars had stability control and traction control.
 
So how come the Silverado has 4 wheel ABS, stability control and traction control, and rear drum brakes?

#78 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [fnamowicz] by bdyment

Aug 09, 2012 (6:16 pm)

Replying to: fnamowicz (Aug 09, 2012 1:15 pm)
No it isn't. I had a 2007 Limited Escape AWD with four wheel disc brakes. Certain models had front and rear disc brakes over the years. Our 2009 Limited Escape had reverted to rear drum brakes. A cost cutting measure I assume.

#79 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [steve_] by wwest

Aug 09, 2012 (6:29 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 09, 2012 3:14 pm)
RWD can use half-xxfast stability and TC control system.
 
Unlike FWD when those rear wheel slip/spin you still have directional control. Also much more prone to overstearing and stability control for that is done primarily with front brake modulation.
 
Whereas with FWD or F/awd TC must act INSTANTLY, FULL dethrottling and braking of the driven wheels, since loss of directional represents a pretty dire threat.. TC on a RWD often delays the dethrottling of the engine fro a few hundred milliseconds to give an experienced driver an opportunity to react and feather the throttle.
 
Final answer.....wait for it....
 
CHEAP AXX GM!

#80 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [wwest] by steve_ HOST

Aug 09, 2012 (6:42 pm)

Replying to: wwest (Aug 09, 2012 6:29 pm)
And now for the follow-up.
 
What about the 2012 Jetta sedan? FWD, ABS, Stability control, Traction control and...drumroll...rear drum brakes. (link)
 
I don't think I've touched the rear brakes on my van, going on 13 years and 178,000 miles.

#81 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [steve_] by wwest

Aug 10, 2012 (9:30 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 09, 2012 6:42 pm)
That's maybe because they're "used" so little that they may be worn out and you haven't noticed.

#82 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [wwest] by steve_ HOST

Aug 10, 2012 (11:14 am)

Replying to: wwest (Aug 10, 2012 9:30 am)
It's an older rig, but it's got brake equalization technology just like most of the newer cars, including those I linked to. So some of the braking beyond the typical ~30% should be shifted to the rear.
 
Lots of new Escape reviews out there now, like this one from Fox:
 
Crossover Comparo: Ford Escape Vs. Honda CR-V

#84 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [steve_] by escapeism

Aug 12, 2012 (12:57 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Aug 10, 2012 11:14 am)
Hello All, Just ordered my Titanium yesterday! I'm stoked!! BTW I still have my 2001 toyota Rav4 5speed manual(203,000 miles) with the original drum brakes. They have about 4 millimeters left. Not too shabby! I'm keeping it cause my son is getting his learners soon and guess which car he gets

#85 of 653 Re: 2013 Escape underperforms and is not ready for prime time [escapeism] by tim156

Aug 12, 2012 (1:57 pm)

Replying to: escapeism (Aug 12, 2012 12:57 pm)
Good choice. It sounds like you had good luck with the Rav. Let us know what you think about the difference in the two. I looked at a Rav a few years ago and was not impressed, at least back then. What options did you order with your Titanium?

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