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#11 of 31 Re: BMWs - Still The Ultimate Driving Machines? [hpmctorque]
Jun 08, 2012 (3:59 pm)
The only BMWs that currently interest me are 1ers, 3ers, and M cars. We currently have an F10 528i service loaner and I absolutely despise the steering- devoid of feel, it belongs in a Buick or Lexus. It's also quite porky. My 1975 2002 and 1995 Club Sport 3 Series are exponentially more fun to drive than the bloated 5er. As for SUVs, my wife's 2004 X3 does a remarkably good impression of a 3 Series, and by doing so makes it a more involving drive than most any other non-M or non-SRT SUV.
#12 of 31 Re: BMWs - Still The Ultimate Driving Machines? [roadburner]
Jun 08, 2012 (4:16 pm)
I was waiting for you to pop in here.
Just what I expected to hear. It's a shame that they've dumb downed the 5.
#13 of 31 Re: BMWs - Still The Ultimate Driving Machines? [roadburner]
Jun 08, 2012 (4:51 pm)
Good to know about the X3.
#14 of 31 Re: BMWs - Still The Ultimate Driving Machines? [lemko]
Jun 08, 2012 (5:31 pm)
Those probably were less than sporty...but at the same time, they were used as police cars, so maybe they are fast and pretty.
Speaking of police cars, not long ago there were many BMW police cars in the UK, which kind of put the final nail in the Germanification of British industry, along with Morgan using BMW engines. I guess BMW engines are still pretty nice, but some of the cars mated to them aren't what the brand once represented.
#15 of 31 This is not just BMW
Jun 10, 2012 (1:06 pm)
All cars get bigger, heavier and more bloated with each new generation. It is true across the board. It is mostly comfort features that require power and add weight. Also raging regulators requiring more and more stuff, from multiple airbags, to stability control systems, to tire pressure monitors. All those things are nice to have, but you need both space to fit them and engine power to carry them around.
It seems the only true ultimate driving machines left are Lotus and couple of other exotics, which often don't even have a radio. Their approach is not what you want, but what you can do without. The rest is just marketing to make us believe we are better drivers than we really are. I'm not buying Lotus either
#16 of 31 cross-posted, but the M3 is safe...for now
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jun 21, 2012 (6:20 pm)
"Stick shift-loving M owners should prepare for bad news, because BMW will only engineer the next M5 or M6 with double-clutch transmissions.
M's head of engineering, Albert Biermann, admitted this week that there were no plans to fit three pedals in the next-generation M6 and M5 because the order rate was too low to justify the added work."
BMW Official Says No Manual Transmission for Next M5 (Inside Line)
#18 of 31 Re: cross-posted, but the M3 is safe...for now [steve_]
Jun 28, 2012 (5:17 pm)
Oh, well, I wasn't going to buy an M5 anyway.
#19 of 31 Re: cross-posted, but the M3 is safe...for now [steve_]
Jul 03, 2012 (6:38 pm)
The E60 M5 was never supposed to have a manual, and if memory serves, BMW relented and retrofitted one after the buff books in the US pitched a hissy fit. Shockingly, they knew what they were doing to begin with, and the retrofitted manual was panned by the same buff books as being a mistake.
Very sad about the F10 5-series. I had gone to their website and configured one with similar options as my 540 as a "if I won the lottery" car, but it sounds like I'd do just as well to dream about a Lexus GS.
#20 of 31 another internet car buying experiment
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 29, 2012 (6:04 pm)
"The online sales option is aimed at a generation of drivers used to making daily purchases over the Internet, and will be an extension of the car configuration that most automakers offer customers to view models with desired options such as interior colors, seat materials and roof styles."
BMW to sell luxury cars for less online (Detroit News)