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#3933 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [srs_49]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 25, 2013 (10:39 am)
I'll take door #2 instead of Mini AC repair...crawling through shards of broken glass 8 hours a day would be nice
#3936 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [Stever@Edmunds]
Jul 25, 2013 (12:51 pm)
So, in three months I can hang up a shingle and start fixing Malibus? Cool.
No, not exactly. You would however get to be a dealership technician and be expected to be productive on flat rate and meet or beat the following labor times.....
For example, let's look at a common G.M. car, the 2012 and
2013 Malibu. That's basically the same car with few changes.
There is no reason for the repair times to be different.
2012 Malibu - replace ECM and program - .9 and .3 diagnostic
2013 Malibu - replace ECM and program - .4 and .3 Diagnostic
2012 Malibu - replace electric steering column - 1.3 and .3
diag and .3 if adj. pedals
2013 Malibu - replace electric steering column - 1.3 no diag
or pedal allowance
2012 Malibu - replace and program SDM - 1.2 and .3 diag time
2013 Malibu - replace and program SDM - .9 and .3 diag time
2012 Malibu - reprogram ECM, SDM, HVAC or EBCM - .4 - no
2013 Malibu - reprogram ECM, SDM, HVAC or EBCM - .3 - no
#3937 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [jipster]
Jul 25, 2013 (1:17 pm)
and Shifty' s Mini A/C Repair
Lol, I'm not too sure about that one, jipster...just cuz Bozo seems to be getting away with it, doesn't mean other consumers are gonna trust a shop named "Shifty". haha..Of course they never knew that Shifty's full name (before the Edmund's mod name-chop last month) was in context with enjoying shifting a stick tranny..
Not even sure if having "Certified" in there would help much...maybe a hair.. lol
#3938 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [thecardoc3]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jul 25, 2013 (1:28 pm)
"Programming" and flashing chips isn't
geek Greek to me so I'd probably do okay with that (so long as that was my assignment - forget the diagnosing part).
I'd be sure to break any clips on the trim around the steering column first thing.
#3939 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [Stever@Edmunds]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jul 25, 2013 (1:37 pm)
I'd probably destroy quite a few customers' cars but you know, in time I'd get better. In the meantime, I'll use the standard excuses:
"oh, they all do that"
"it's a factory defect"
"could not duplicate"
"oh, you wanted brakes on BOTH front wheels..."
"no codes detected"
"it's your brother-in-law's fault"
#3940 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [gimmestdtranny]
Jul 25, 2013 (3:06 pm)
well, he might make a killing with the British car crowd (they always need mechanics!) if he called it "Sir Nigel's auto service" instead.
#3941 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [MrShift@Edmunds]
Jul 26, 2013 (1:31 am)
I'd probably destroy quite a few customers' cars but you know, in time I'd get better
So no comment on the labor times listed, for the same jobs? Flat rate is supposed to be piece work that pays the tech a fair amount for a given job and through experience and attention to detail the tech should get rewarded by improving his/her efficiency. The times listed for the 2012 models aren't routinely achievable, the 2013's are the very same jobs and are now about 50% of what a good tech can expect to achieve without breaking stuff.
GM is looking for more techs through that school, they know they have a technician retention issue and yet are turning right around and ensuring the next group can't possibly thrive, unless they sell un-needed services that is. How about the media start concentrating on the real problem instead of only focusing attention on one of the final outcomes?
The times listed are simply impossible to meet and should be at least double across the board. There are technical writers looking for something to do, lets get them help to do legitimate time studies and prove how long it really takes to do some of this work. What you'll find is they won't even have the failed PCM diagnosed before the time to replace and program it expires.
BTW GM isn't alone with warranty times like these. I should look up the warranty times to diagnose and repair your Mini, its probably half of what you said that it took.
#3942 of 4850 Re: This is another piece of the puzzle [Stever@Edmunds]
Jul 26, 2013 (4:23 am)
I'd be sure to break any clips on the trim around the steering column first thing
That's OK you don't get paid for comebacks and things broken negligently will be deducted from your pay if it happens more than once.