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#1379 of 2892 Re: How would you have handeled this? [srs_49]
Feb 14, 2013 (12:36 pm)
So then, how do I, the consumer, determine if $80/hr, $100/hr, or $130/hr is a reasonable rate
To be blunt about it, without all of the details you can't. Which is why it isn't being honest to even try.
#1380 of 2892 Re: Diplomacy isn't my strongsuit [srs_49]
Feb 14, 2013 (1:06 pm)
My son just finished his residency last year and started his medical practice. His income expectations have been cut in half from what those in his field were making 9 years ago when he started medical school. While he is still making a good salary, he has doubts as to whether or not it will be worth all the pain and costs he went through.
My daughter finishes her clinical rotations out on the West Coast in April of this year.
The medical environment is one of rapid and dramatic change, but on the bright side, any position that requires direct patient contact is one that is difficult to export overseas, which I define as a bright spot in today's employment scenario...
#1381 of 2892 Re: Diplomacy isn't my strongsuit [thecardoc3]
by steve_ HOST
Feb 14, 2013 (1:48 pm)
That's a "who cares" IMO.
It's a "who cares" because it applies to GM and Ford too and any newcomer that wants to try to set up a car business in the US (Tata or Chery, for example).
Tesla was used as the example because we were talking about the dealers association in MA suing Musk.
Let's assume Ford wants to do their own warranty service and take that chore away from the dealers (because dealers can charge them "retail rates" in some states under state law), and let's assume that their existing franchise agreements would allow them to do so.
If the dealers don't like that idea, they'll just go to their state legislature and make it illegal for manufacturers to directly furnish warranty service. Dealers in Maine did something similar in '03 after the courts ruled against them. (SSRN)
Forget Tesla, this stuff can happen with the majors. And it pads the dealers' pockets at the expense of consumers.
Feb 14, 2013 (1:50 pm)
Cardoc I'm curious. I understand what you mean, but... perhaps if a going average rate is say $100, and one looks at Yip or Yelp (? ) and sees one is rated higher or lower, wouldn't that be a fair indicator of $110 or $90?
#1384 of 2892 Re: Diplomacy isn't my strongsuit [thecardoc3]
Feb 14, 2013 (2:35 pm)
I agree on both counts. I have several friends who are techs. Great guys, but they're only satisfied with their career when they're actually working on cars. When the day is done, they complain about the circumstances.
#1385 of 2892 Re: Rates [thecardoc3]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Feb 14, 2013 (5:21 pm)
It's very easy to tell padded or false reviews on Yelp. All you have to do is read with some degree of attention.
#1386 of 2892 Re: Rates [Mr_Shiftright]
Feb 14, 2013 (8:23 pm)
It's very easy to tell padded or false reviews on Yelp.
All you have to do is read with some degree of attention
That's asking a lot of the "average" consumer.
#1387 of 2892 Re: Diplomacy isn't my strongsuit [xwesx]
Feb 14, 2013 (8:42 pm)
Great guys, but they're only satisfied with their career when they're actually working on cars
I just came from presenting a class for about forty guys who all fit into the main group of loving to actually fix cars, but hate a lot of the nonsense that goes with it.
When the day is done, they complain about the circumstances
This was an advanced diagnostic class and in the middle of it one of the case studies has a screen capture where codes are pulled from all of the vehicle modules, but the customers reported issue is only an engine performance one. I purposely don't point out all of the codes and hope that the class lets me we slip right past that slide and concentrate on the engine problem. Then after that is successfully dealt with I add the scenario that has the customer immediately complain about the instrument cluster having an issue.
By pulling and documenting all of the codes, which includes the communication codes related to the instrument cluster a shop doesn't get blind-sided and end up "getting a bad review" for something they didn't do wrong anyway. If they don't pull codes from all of the modules, then they don't know about the instrument cluster problem and they could likely get trapped into having to fix it for free. Making them practice this is really important and leads to satisfied customers, even if it means the customer is going to have to get more work done than just what they brought the vehicle in for. It all comes down to documentation and communication. if they don't want to fix the cluster problem, that's fine, its their car. The shop needs a record of the vehicles overall condition as much as is reasonably possible.
#1388 of 2892 Re: Diplomacy isn't my strongsuit [thecardoc3]
by steve_ HOST
Feb 15, 2013 (6:24 am)
lol, and then the customer review will read:
"I took my car to Joe's Garage for a simple engine miss and they tried to tell me my instrument cluster was broken and wanted an extra $400 to fix it. Avoid these crooks like the plague."