Last post on Jul 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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#7 of 56 Re: . [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 30, 2012 (10:21 am)
The pre 1960 stuff especially. I think muscle cars and sports cars will always have some demand, and more flamboyant normal cars, but a lot of stuff will fade off.
I wish that would happen to Brighton-era veterans.
#8 of 56 Re: . [Mr_Shiftright]
Apr 30, 2012 (1:59 pm)
Yeah, Hudson introduced its "step-down" unibody for the '48 model year. Aside from the fact that it was porky weight-wise, it was handsome, innovative and road worthy.
And, you're right about the quality of the cars of this period; assembly line workers still had a depression era mentality, and union-management relations was less contentious than in later years. The U.S was a net exporter of cars, and American cars were prized the world over for their quality and other attributes. Of course, scarcity, the fact that our factories were remained intact, and our position in the world had a lot to do with Detroit's reputation and influence.
I would add that the size and proportions of American cars was more closely related to their functionality than after '54 (eg. Chrysler corp.'s "chair-height seats).
As for features, Chrysler introduced power-steering in '51, and A/C, introduced by Packard in the late '30s, became a more common option.
Getting back to new engines, Ford introduced its Y-blocks in '54 ('52 for Lincoln), and the '52 restylings were very attractive and modern for their day. The Y-blocks weren't the best example of engine design, but they were more efficient than the flatheads they replaced (the '54 Ford had exactly the same displacement as the '53 - 239 c.i. - but put out 130 hp vs 110). Buick introduced the Nailhead for '53.
Apr 30, 2012 (3:38 pm)
Almost forgot Studebaker's new OHV V8, introduced in the '51 model year. Quite an accomplishment for an independent!
#10 of 56 Re: . [fintail]
Apr 30, 2012 (4:25 pm)
The pre 1960 stuff especially
Maybe even pre 70 or 80. It is kind of hard to predict though because a lot of today's young generation don't seem all that much into cars. Although I've seen several driving around in old 60's metal. Rust and loss of discretionary income aren't helping the old car hobby either, except with the 1 percenters and they seem to gravitate to the high priced stuff that you seen in auctions on TV.
#11 of 56 Not all 1946-54 cars are boring
May 01, 2012 (7:56 am)
How abour a 1953 Cadillac Eldorado or a 1953 Buick Skylark? Nothing boring about those two! 1948-54 Oldsmobiles were darlings in the stock car circuit.
May 01, 2012 (8:07 am)
I think the old car hobby has peaked. This is as good as it's going to get.
Having kept its industrial base intact after WW II was a 2-edged sword for America. On the one hand, it allowed us to dominate the global automobile market (as the UK once did), but on the other hand it kept us in a kind of technological rut in terms of engine design.
The engines of the 40s and 50s and even early 60s were really not much different from those of the 1920s. Any 1920s mechanic could have worked on them. Engine refinement was a matter of degree, not type.
They were big and powerful but not very efficient.
But of course you needed big honkin' engines to drive big honkin' cars with those new gadgets such as AC and power steering and automatic transmissions.
I think America's approach to car building in the late 40s and early 50s was similar to their approach to building weapons of war---keep 'em simple and rugged and well-built, and when they break, just throw them away and build another.
Another thing that drove car design through the 1950s was a distaste for nostalgia. Americans wanted the future---jet aircraft, outer space---the concept of "retro" was not well regarded, or well rewarded.
Any company that clung to the past was making a huge mistake.
#13 of 56 Re: . [berri]
May 01, 2012 (9:41 am)
I think there will always be some demand for fun cars - muscle, ponycars, etc, but yeah, something like a 69 Caprice sedan is probably at about the high point of its desirability, if not past already.
Once the boomers are unable to drive, from age or from being 10 feet under, the entire market and hobby will be changed. Only then will we know what the future will be.
#14 of 56 Re: . [fintail]
May 01, 2012 (10:55 am)
As long as I'm alive, there will be a demand for something like a 1969 Chevrolet Caprice though I prefer the 1970 model. I saw a really nice 1970 Chevrolet Impala Custom at Spring Carlisle this past Saturday in a nice shade of light blue metallic with a beautiful brocade and vinyl interior to match.
#15 of 56 Re: . [lemko]
May 01, 2012 (11:31 am)
But will there ever be demand for a 1950 Chevy? I think 60's on up demand continues because they're in movies, parents remember them, etc. Pre-55? Not so much. Nowhere to go for demand but down.
#16 of 56 Re: . [lemko]
May 01, 2012 (11:25 am)
You're a very notable exception , and sadly for the market, one customer doesn't impact demand much, unless you are seeking to buy every surviving 70 Chevy. But this will be good for you, as your dream car will be attainable.
I do like those brocade interiors, can't help but want to touch them. When I was a kid a nutty relative had a 65 or 66 Coupe deVille with a brocade interior that I remember well, and when I was a teen a local dealer had a mint 65 Caprice with a similar interior.