Last post on Jan 19, 2012 at 9:06 PM
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#8 of 12 Re: Honda Odyssey 2010 EX...WORST VEHICLE IN 35 YEARS! [blackexv6]
Jan 05, 2012 (2:23 am)
Undersized brake rotors and undersized transmissions do count in quality control, design, and reliability. Engineers that work for Honda of America while designing the Accord and Odyssey were NOT intelligent enough to realize that larger vehicles will need larger components, and the problems exist quickly and spooked all the once, loyal Honda customers. The Honda Japanese engineers in Japan would caught this problem faster than what the Honda American engineers could do in United States. It may be a problem with our American culture, but we don't really know for sure.
The Honda Accord right now, since 2008, has the most disappointing reliability record I've seen in years. It's a major drop from the successful and proven 2003-2007 generation, and the three 1982-1993 generations. This is not what Honda Accord is and what it defines, and Honda America screwed everything up. This also applies to the Honda Odyssey since 1999.
In 1976, Honda Accord was created and meant simplicity, sportiness, value, trust, durability, and highest reliability. Honda Accord had ALWAYS been rated more reliable than Toyota Camry when they were mostly manufactured in Japan before, according to the auto reliability history data provided by Consumer Reports. Honda built more reliable cars than Toyota in Japan during the 1980s.
But in 1994, when the new, redesigned 1994 Accord was released, while Honda continues to increase production in United States than in Japan, Honda Accord became LESS-reliable than Toyota Camry all of a sudden, and dissatisfaction among the loyal Honda buyers began to grow due to some quality and workmanship issues involved from the North American plants. This was a big surprise and major concern back then. More people began to look at Toyota Camry instead. Now on the 18th straight consecutive year since 1994, Toyota Camry has been rated MORE-reliable than Honda Accord. Toyota Camry continues to grow in fame and trust, and moves on to become America's #1 best-selling car, while Honda Accord has declined and faded. Sales began to fall off since it peaked the highest in 1991. Honda has chose NOT to improve quality-control in their North American plants, or, most importantly, improve the reliability rating score of the Accord to become higher than the Camry. Honda continues to give up some Accord sales number to Toyota for the Camry.
Had the Honda Accord always been manufactured in Japan and never in United States, Honda Accord would always be rated more reliable than Toyota Camry, and Toyota Camry would NOT be America's #1 best-selling car in the first place.
Unless the previous poster was talking about Honda's 4-cylinder engine itself, then I do agree that it's very reliable and long-lasting, in fact, Honda's 4-cylinder engine is the longest-lasting you can buy in the world. All Honda's 4-cylinder engines were designed in Japan, and reliability report shows that Honda engines do last longer than Toyota engines, by up to 25% when the cars reach 20-30 years old (if still on the road). Honda's 4-cylinder engines are built a little stronger than Toyota's 4-cylinder engines, and they can tolerate more abuse and neglect. Toyota is more concerned with refinement, so their engines had to be a little lighter, quieter, and a little cheaper in design with thinner layers of metal. Toyota's 4-cylinder engines have a slight, higher-risk in having more engine blow-outs or breakdowns than Honda. Currently, there are more 80s Toyota cars retired into junkyards early than 80s Honda cars.
On the other hand, Honda's current V6 engines are completely different in design, and they have been designed, engineered, and manufactured in United States. The Japanese were not involved in this V6 engine design. Honda's V6 engine is an American-quality design, and some parts of the design are flawed. Therefore, reliability has NOT been great so far, although fairly-reliable for the most part, and most current Honda V6 products scored between average and below-average reliability. I wouldn't call it poor reliability, fortunately. Had the Japanese designed Honda's V6 engine in the first place, like they did before during the 1980s to early-1990s, reliability score would be much higher, and there would be far fewer complaints to begin in the first place. Honda's reputation would not be so hurt. To our big surprise, Toyota's V6 engine products, even if they are designed in United States, have been more reliable than Honda since the last 10 years.
I continue to maintain and stand behind my facts that Honda built LESS-reliable cars than Toyota in North America, while Honda built MORE-reliable cars than Toyota in Japan. (from post #2)
#9 of 12 Re: Honda Odyssey 2010 EX...WORST VEHICLE IN 35 YEARS! [blackexv6]
Jan 17, 2012 (8:09 pm)
I have a 2002 Odyssey which I bought new in Canada. The 1999-2004 was called LaGreat in Japan with V6 engines. The 2005-2012 built in Alabama are Japanese Dylson (I think this is the name[ see web site below]). The Odyssey minivans without sliding doors have and are still built in Japan with both 4 and 6 cyl engines. They are not the same style as the USA Odyssey (which really is not an Odyssey).
#10 of 12 Honda needs to take responsibility
Jan 19, 2012 (11:06 am)
I bought a new 2007 Odyssey and have had no problems EXCEPT those Honda created by design. I am referring to the recalls on the master brake cylinder and the automatic transmission reprogram. I was contacted in regard to a class action lawsuit in which Honda agreed to pay for the ac condenser shield and $20.00 of the $95.00 installation cost. I also received an extended warranty by mail on the power steering unit.
To me, this is unacceptable. If I have to pay a premium to buy a Japanese designed vehicle, than I should receive a vehicle of premium quality. The company should"man up" and fix their irresponsible design at no cost to the consumer. I still own this vehicle but my latest purchase of a minivan went to Toyota this time. Consumer reports has tanked the ratings of several Honda vehicles (i.e Civic, reliability on Odyssey) and it is easy to see why!
#11 of 12 Re: Honda needs to take responsibility [mthomasdb]
Jan 19, 2012 (9:05 pm)
Our 2006 has worked just fine, with 125K miles since Sept 2006. No complaints here.
#12 of 12 Re: Honda needs to take responsibility [mthomasdb]
Jan 19, 2012 (9:06 pm)
Besides, this thread is about the 2010 Ody.