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#88 of 157 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 22, 2012 (6:59 am)
skeptic101: All 2013 Kia Rio`s and Rio5`s in "LX" Trim now come with the Active-Eco regardless if the car is equipped with the optional Power Package or not. I was at my local Kia Dealership Friday and I can confirm that I saw several Base Model LX`s with crank up windows and no power door locks and they all had the Active Eco. As I posted earlier, I solved the issue of the Armrest with Storage Box in the Center Console for my "LX"by having all (9) pieces that compose the necessary parts plus the needed hardware which I purchased from an Ebay Seller who shipped everything to me Air Freight from Korea for only $190, a fraction of what these individual parts would have costed purchased at any Kia Dealer here in the U.S. They were all genuine OEM Kia Parts made by MOBIS, the parts manufacturer for both Kia and Hyundai. Its a bit of a tricky installation but if one is a skilled DIYS individual and have the necessary tools,you could perhaps avoid the Dealership install. I chose having my Kia Dealers service department do it for me at the cost of 1 hours labor. In regards to the (missing) spare tire and jack, when they do become available as an after market kit from your Kia Dealer, it will cost several hundred dollars. Again, visit a local Junk Yard (or) simply go once again, back on Ebay Motors (parts) and type in the spare tire size (donut) and jack assembly your looking for and you can get everything, likely brand new or even new and never been used for about $100. All 2006 thru 2008 Kia Rio`s had 15`` wheels and tires and I`m sure other years had them as well. If you happen to have the 2012 or 2013 Kia "SX" with the 17`` wheels, it may be a bit more difficult or perhaps impossible to find these from an older model Kia Rio`s because this (might) be the first year that Kia put 17`` wheels and tires on any of its Rio`s. Funny, that Kia Canada has even the Fog Lights and Armrest with storage box center console on there lowest trim model "LX" that has no A/C. When you move up to a Canadian Spec "LX+", you get the A/C PW,PL, Remote Key Fob, etc. Check Kia Canada web site and see how their Kia`s are configured differently then U.S. Kia`s and even have different colors to choose from. One edge for me is that in the U.S. Kia offers (beige) cloth interior, which I prefer, especially depending on the exterior paint color. In Canada, only (black) is available. Also, since Canadian Law requires (all) vehicle to have DRL`s, daytime running lights, the LX, LX+, both have the non-LED DRL`s in their head lamp cluster. In the U.S. they only put them on the "SX" with LED illumination. Hyundai on the other hand puts non-led`s DRL`s on all their Sonata and Elantra`s but failed to put them on their Accents. Go figure?
#89 of 157 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [phill1]
Jul 22, 2012 (10:26 am)
The Active ECO System is available as a stand alone option on the 2013 LX but it's still listed as an option. With what you've seen on your dealer's lot it makes me wonder if it is now a "mandatory option". In other words, Kia is adding it to every car they ship to address complaints of low MPG, but is listing it as an option on the LX to keep the advertised price low. Lots of manufacturers do that kind of stuff.
This has nothing to do with MPG, but I've read that the only difference on the non-LED DRLs is a jumper added to a circuit board during manufacture of the Canadian bound cars.
#90 of 157 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 22, 2012 (11:07 am)
On the MSRP of (3) of the 2013 Base Model Rio5 (LX), there was no add on or listed mention of a (mandatory) option of Active Eco. Kia originally planned to include the Active-Eco as standard equipment only on the LX ordered with the optional Power Package. They obviously changed there mind and its now included even in the base stripped down models too. The only add on option listed with these (3) 2013 Kia Rio5`s was the optional floor mats adding $95 to the MSRP, other then the freight/delivery charge always listed at the bottom of the sticker. I would like to have the DRL`s added to my American Spec Kia but the dealer does not have any listing for either the module or the necessary circuit board that might be needed. I might check with a Kia Dealer next time I`m in Montreal and have them look up what might be needed in their Canadian Parts system, bit I suspect that it would not be a simple plug in installation. I have seen after market universal DRL Kits on the Web but I would`nt chance having one installed and have it blamed for damaging the electrical system and possibly voiding my new car warranty. On my 2011 Ford Fiesta (U.S.) spec vehicle, the Ford Dealer was able to activate the DRL`s using the smart junction box and the IDS Programmer which took about 10 minutes.
#91 of 157 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 22, 2012 (12:32 pm)
Perhaps your confusing the optional "ECO" Package that includes the Active Eco (plus) Stop and Go Technology with the just the standard Active Eco which (now) comes on all Kia Rio`s regardless of Trim Level at no extra cost (including) the "LX". The "ECO" Package now available for 2013 is an option (only) available on the "EX" Trim Models exclusively.
#92 of 157 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [phill1]
Jul 23, 2012 (8:15 am)
You're talking about the Idle Stop and Go (ISG). No confusion, the Kia web site lists the Active ECO System as a stand alone option or included in the Power Package for the 2013 LX. They've obviously made a running change.
#93 of 157 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 23, 2012 (10:36 am)
Obviously! Lets see if they also make a change in the future and offer a "stand alone option" of adding the Armrest with Storage Box to the Center Console on the "LX" Model or offering the Daytime Running Lights (DRL`s) as an option choice like Chrysler has done for years on its entire fleet of vehicles.
#94 of 157 Two month economy totals-- '13 EX
Sep 01, 2012 (12:44 pm)
Put 5300 miles on this in the first two months, so there's several long trips. Actual mileage-- approximately 2 mpg less than trip computer.
Average 31.57 mpg
#95 of 157 Re: Two month economy totals-- '13 EX [csandste]
Sep 01, 2012 (3:53 pm)
Without trying to stir up a hornets nest of ire, I have just over 7000 miles on my 2012 Kia Rio5 LX with automatic transmission. I feel by now that the engine should be "broken in". I get a consistent 27 mpg city and 33 mpg highway. For a Sub Compact B-Segment Vehicle, sorry its not acceptable, period. Still think the car is attractive, comfortable, and affordable (to purchase). One usually purchases this size vehicle expecting superior fuel economy and the 2012-2013 Kia Rio fails that test! Active "ECO", what a hoot!
#96 of 157 Highway or Mixed Mileage?
Sep 01, 2012 (4:11 pm)
It's been my experience that many people confuse mixed mileage (33 mpg EPA) with Highway. If you fill up adjacent to the Interstate, drive X number of miles on the Interstate, exit and immediately fill up the tank, that's highway driving. But most people don't spend 100% of their time on the highway.
For example, if you drive 10 miles to the highway, stay on the interstate for 40 miles, and then drive another 10 miles of stop and go to your destination, that is NOT highway mileage. That is mixed mileage as in 40 highway and 20 miles of stop & go driving.
With my 2012 Rio 5 SX, I'm consistently getting the following results:
City Only: 24-25 mpg
Highway Only: 37-38 mpg
Mixed: 31-32 mpg
#97 of 157 Re: Highway or Mixed Mileage? [btatr]
Sep 01, 2012 (7:12 pm)
I know we have had this discussion before and I understand exactly what your point is. That said, perhaps if I drove at a steady speed of 55 mph on the Florida Turnpike or I95 I could improve my "highway" mpg average by a few mpg. I`d rather not get run off the road though when everyone else is driving between 75 and 80 mph. I for the life of me still cant rationalize why my other vehicle, my 2011 Ford Fiesta with the same i.6 ltr 4 cyl engine (without) GDI gets 33-35 mpg city and 41-43 mpg highway no matter how I drive or what speed I`m doing and with the air conditioning always on? They are (both) Sub Compact B-Segment vehicles and should achieve "similar" fuel economy. Their size and weight is comparable, why not their fuel economy? If your satisfied with 24-25 mpg "City Only", I have nothing else to contribute! You would get the same or better with a Kia Forte or Kia Optima! Something is very wrong with the average typical fuel economy (most) 2012-2013 Kia Rio owners are experiencing. I don`t know how many other owners you have spoken to, but I have approached over a half dozen in shopping center parking lots as well as at my Kia Dealership and they all report, "They love the car, but are (very) disappointed with the fuel economy both city, highway, or combined. Time for Kia and (Hyundai) to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they need to do to make a fuel efficient sub-compact B-segment Car.