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#82 of 242 Re: RIO SX Best In Class [btatr]
Jul 20, 2012 (2:36 pm)
Any parts that are now coming on the 2013 Kia Rio`s are available through the Parts Department. After they shoot you a price, you might want to check on Ebay with some of the Korean Resellers that advertise on there. I have bought a ton of Kia Rio5 OEM factory Accessories for a fraction of the cost at the U.S. Kia Dealers, including the cost of Air Postage shipping parts, from Korea and arriving in 7 to 10 days with no problems at all. I know you seldom have a tire side wall blow out, (but) I personally don`t want to wait hours for a Tow Truck hauling me away whether or not Kia Road Service pays for it or AAA. Its just a aggravation I would rather avoid.
#83 of 242 Edmunds Article on Real World MPG
Jul 20, 2012 (5:08 pm)
The readers on here might be interested in this Edmunds article on real world MPG.
I claimed earlier that the EPA used E-10 gas for their tests, but this article says they use E-0. Since I use E-15 through Kansas occasionally I can attest that the amount of alcohol in the gas makes a big difference in MPG. Not mentioned in the article is that most modern automatics slowly adjust shift points based on the driver's driving style. The factories set the delivered shift points for optimal MPG over the EPA's Highway, City and Combined test "routes". Most people don't duplicate that same route in their daily drives and probably don't duplicate the EPA's "driver" action either (it's a computer). Since the manufacturers know the EPA's exact test "route", in addition to shift points they are also able to program the car's camshaft timing for optimal MPG over the test routes and, in the case of the Accent/Rio twins, include a driver controlled switch (ECO) that makes the transmission upshift sooner and smooths out the car's accelerator action (it's all controlled by the car's computer). The point of all this is that the "ringer" here is the car. Since I drive more gently than most drivers, I've been able to exceed the EPA's estimates with every car I have owned. My neighbor's smart alec kid told me if I drove any slower they would give me a parking ticket (ha ha). Using our car's trip computers I can susally beat my wife's mileage by about 20%. At 7k I'm now averaging 35 MPG using the Rio's trip computer (probably 75% rural, 25% city). That beats the heck out of my old PT Cruiser's 25 MPG average over the same mixed roads. I haven't compared the GPS's computed MPG with the Rio's trip computer, but the Rio's trip odometer is off by only 1% higher with its new tires inflated to 35 PSI. I love the Rio's looks, value and practicality, but I miss my old Cruiser.
#84 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 21, 2012 (5:12 am)
Well, like I posted before, it was nice on Kia`s part to finally (include) the Active-Eco feature now added to its Kia Rio`s in their "LX" Models for the 2013 Run since they (did not) in the 2012 Model Year. I`m not too surprised that they were more interested in saving a few bucks where they could. Same thing both Hyundai and KIa did by replacing the Emergency Spare Tire and Jack Assembly in the Trunk with a mini air-compressor and can of tire sealant goo. I know they claim it was to save weight to improve Fuel Economy. Odd that in Canada, their vehicles still get the traditional spare tire (donut) set up. Must be Canadians aren`t much concerned with their gas mileage, eh? The weight issue is ridiculous anyway, a Bag of groceries in the trunk and a case of Beer would also have the same (drastic effect). In Australia, the Kia Rio`s comes with a "Full Size" Spare Tire"! Car manufacturers market cars and equip them depending on the Market they are being sold in and the demand that most Buyers insist on. Americans, as usual, just go along with whatever the Auto Manufacturers decide , smile, and gleefully drive their new car home. Even in Canada, their food items are made differently then here in the U.S. Pick up a package of Cookies, or other baked products. On the label if it says Chocolate, it contains Chocolate. In the U.S. the same product will state, "Chocolate Flavored" and reading the fine print you will always read that the product contains Chocolate Flavoring using "artificial" Chocolate Flavoring, (not) real Chocolate. The Ethanol infusion of a minimum of 10% added to Gasoline in most parts of the Country is just an excuse to continue giant subsides to Big Agriculture to keep the price of Corn high regardless of growing conditions and the size of the crop. If the Goverment were truly concerned with being energy independent and reducing pollution, converting all motor vehicles to Natural Gas (Propane) which the U.S. and Canada have an endless supply would have happened years ago.
#85 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [phill1]
Jul 21, 2012 (1:58 pm)
The belief that the Canadian Rio has a temporary spare is not true. They are equipped with the 12v inflator and tire sealant like the US models. GM is also doing this. Additionally, the Active ECO switch is not standard on the 2013 LX. It remains an option just like the 2012 LX. However, the 2013 LX does now have an armrest.
#86 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 21, 2012 (3:28 pm)
Skeptic101; Absolutely wrong on (2) issues and partially wrong on the (3rd). First, the 2012 Kia Rio LX even ordering it with the optional "Power Package", PW/PL/ and Remote Key Fob, which I have, (did not) have the Active Eco either as standard equipment or as an option, period! It is now available on the 2013 Kia Rio5 in the LX Trim if ordered with the automatic transmission as standard (this) year. The Center Console with Armrest and Storage Box is (not) available in the 2013 Kia Rio5 "LX" either as Standard equipment nor is it available as an option, period! You may be confusing U.S. Spec Kia Rio5`s and Canadian Spec Kia Rio5`s! Lastly, true, not all Kia`s or Hyundai`s come with the spare tire and jack in Canada. It all depends on the Model and Trim level. Even the stripped down Canadian Kia Rio5 LX base model without a/c has the center console with armrest and storage box (and) fog lights. U.S. and Canada get two very different vehicles.
#87 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [phill1]
Jul 21, 2012 (6:52 pm)
Just going by information from Kia. Content of the LX Power Package includes power windows, power door locks, remote and "Active ECO System". Canadian Rio's standard equipment (all models) includes "Tire Mobility Kit". I heard (just rumor) the dealers will be getting a compact spare wheel, tire and jack kit they can order or stock. I gave some bad information on the arm rest. It is still not available on the US LX, just the Canadian. BTW, AutoGuide.com got 37 MPG on their road test. MPGomatic.com got 34 combined, 43 Interstate.
#88 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 22, 2012 (5:59 am)
skeptic101: All 2013 Kia Rio`s and Rio5`s in "LX" Trim now come with the Active-Eco regardless if the car is equipped with the optional Power Package or not. I was at my local Kia Dealership Friday and I can confirm that I saw several Base Model LX`s with crank up windows and no power door locks and they all had the Active Eco. As I posted earlier, I solved the issue of the Armrest with Storage Box in the Center Console for my "LX"by having all (9) pieces that compose the necessary parts plus the needed hardware which I purchased from an Ebay Seller who shipped everything to me Air Freight from Korea for only $190, a fraction of what these individual parts would have costed purchased at any Kia Dealer here in the U.S. They were all genuine OEM Kia Parts made by MOBIS, the parts manufacturer for both Kia and Hyundai. Its a bit of a tricky installation but if one is a skilled DIYS individual and have the necessary tools,you could perhaps avoid the Dealership install. I chose having my Kia Dealers service department do it for me at the cost of 1 hours labor. In regards to the (missing) spare tire and jack, when they do become available as an after market kit from your Kia Dealer, it will cost several hundred dollars. Again, visit a local Junk Yard (or) simply go once again, back on Ebay Motors (parts) and type in the spare tire size (donut) and jack assembly your looking for and you can get everything, likely brand new or even new and never been used for about $100. All 2006 thru 2008 Kia Rio`s had 15`` wheels and tires and I`m sure other years had them as well. If you happen to have the 2012 or 2013 Kia "SX" with the 17`` wheels, it may be a bit more difficult or perhaps impossible to find these from an older model Kia Rio`s because this (might) be the first year that Kia put 17`` wheels and tires on any of its Rio`s. Funny, that Kia Canada has even the Fog Lights and Armrest with storage box center console on there lowest trim model "LX" that has no A/C. When you move up to a Canadian Spec "LX+", you get the A/C PW,PL, Remote Key Fob, etc. Check Kia Canada web site and see how their Kia`s are configured differently then U.S. Kia`s and even have different colors to choose from. One edge for me is that in the U.S. Kia offers (beige) cloth interior, which I prefer, especially depending on the exterior paint color. In Canada, only (black) is available. Also, since Canadian Law requires (all) vehicle to have DRL`s, daytime running lights, the LX, LX+, both have the non-LED DRL`s in their head lamp cluster. In the U.S. they only put them on the "SX" with LED illumination. Hyundai on the other hand puts non-led`s DRL`s on all their Sonata and Elantra`s but failed to put them on their Accents. Go figure?
#89 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [phill1]
Jul 22, 2012 (9:26 am)
The Active ECO System is available as a stand alone option on the 2013 LX but it's still listed as an option. With what you've seen on your dealer's lot it makes me wonder if it is now a "mandatory option". In other words, Kia is adding it to every car they ship to address complaints of low MPG, but is listing it as an option on the LX to keep the advertised price low. Lots of manufacturers do that kind of stuff.
This has nothing to do with MPG, but I've read that the only difference on the non-LED DRLs is a jumper added to a circuit board during manufacture of the Canadian bound cars.
#90 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 22, 2012 (10:07 am)
On the MSRP of (3) of the 2013 Base Model Rio5 (LX), there was no add on or listed mention of a (mandatory) option of Active Eco. Kia originally planned to include the Active-Eco as standard equipment only on the LX ordered with the optional Power Package. They obviously changed there mind and its now included even in the base stripped down models too. The only add on option listed with these (3) 2013 Kia Rio5`s was the optional floor mats adding $95 to the MSRP, other then the freight/delivery charge always listed at the bottom of the sticker. I would like to have the DRL`s added to my American Spec Kia but the dealer does not have any listing for either the module or the necessary circuit board that might be needed. I might check with a Kia Dealer next time I`m in Montreal and have them look up what might be needed in their Canadian Parts system, bit I suspect that it would not be a simple plug in installation. I have seen after market universal DRL Kits on the Web but I would`nt chance having one installed and have it blamed for damaging the electrical system and possibly voiding my new car warranty. On my 2011 Ford Fiesta (U.S.) spec vehicle, the Ford Dealer was able to activate the DRL`s using the smart junction box and the IDS Programmer which took about 10 minutes.
#91 of 242 Re: Edmunds Article on Real World MPG [skeptic101]
Jul 22, 2012 (11:32 am)
Perhaps your confusing the optional "ECO" Package that includes the Active Eco (plus) Stop and Go Technology with the just the standard Active Eco which (now) comes on all Kia Rio`s regardless of Trim Level at no extra cost (including) the "LX". The "ECO" Package now available for 2013 is an option (only) available on the "EX" Trim Models exclusively.