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Kia Rio, Sedan, Wagon
#74 of 242 Re: RIO City Mileage [btatr]
Jul 20, 2012 (6:41 am)
Guess Ford did their (homework) when they developed their Fiesta for its introduction to North America. Of course they had several years to work on it since it was manufactured previously for the European Market. Gas milage for that 2002 Focus was pretty dismal, I agree. I owned a 2001 Focus Wagon and I think if I recall, my vehicle got significantly better fuel economy then yours did. In fairness though, comparing the technology of a 2002 era vehicle with one a decade later in 2012 is like comparing apples with oranges. Other then they were both vehicles made of steel, designed to carry passengers and rode on rubber tires, they had little else in common. I personally think it more relevant comparing what similar size and weight vehicles achieve in fuel economy built either the same year or certainly no more then a few years apart. Comparing gas milage of a Hyundai Accent/Kia Rio vs same year Ford Fiesta make better sense to me. It would be like comparing your 2002 Ford Focus with the fuel economy and performance of its newer 2012/2013 sibling. Not a fair comparison, I think. I guess I should stop complaining about (my) disappointment with my own 2012 Kia Rio5`s gas milage. Even (I) am getting slightly better in city mpg here in hot/humid South FL where the traffic is nearly always stop and go, traffic lights are long and never co-ordinated. and the air conditioning is engaged constantly, all the time. Still, be it 25 mpg or 28 mpg in City driving, stop and go with idling, its not where it should be for a Sub-Compact/B-Segment vehicle that is relatively light weight and has but a 1.6 ltr. engine (with GDI). Explain to me how Motorweek then was able to squeeze the unbelievable mpg numbers they reported? Their (lowest) mpg was better then my (highest) mpg that I get tossing out the "average" mixed use or best highway mpg they achieved on the Race Track Oval? I`m still a sceptic despite the fine reputation they maintain. I`m sure Kia (and Hyundai) will "tweek" their Accents and Rios over the next year or two and bump up their mpg numbers.
#75 of 242 RIO SX Best In Class
Jul 20, 2012 (8:34 am)
As usual, you misunderstood my point. Although I agree that comparing a 2002 model with a 2012 is apples to oranges, that wasn't why I talked about the difference in city fuel economy. I was merely trying to say that even though the RIO falls a little short in city driving mpg, I'm pleased because it's still a 7-8 mpg jump from my 02 Focus in the city.
As for Motorweek's results, I have to agree. Somebody must have confused highway with their mixed mileage circuit
Back to something more important. the RIO SX is a fantastic vehicle for an economy car on so many levels. Everyone who sees it and/or rides with me praises the car to no end. I'm not big on looks, but even I have to acknowledge the SX is one sleek, aerodynamic car. And I especially love the low profile tires/wheels.
#76 of 242 Re: RIO SX Best In Class [btatr]
Jul 20, 2012 (9:15 am)
I agree with everything you said, (But) although once again, (I`m) probably misunderstanding your point. I also find my 2012 Kia Rio5,attractive, sleek, aerodynamic,comfortable, fairly peppy for it (class), and last but not least, fun to drive! I personally cannot describe an "economy" Car that gets mediocre (at best) fuel consumption as "Fantastic". One of the main attributes of purchasing an "economy" car is to get superior MPG even in its own segment, which again without beating my point to death, (I) feel the 2012 Kia Rio5 falls short. Maybe its because I also took offense to Mitt Romney`s description of Paul Ryan`s Budget Plan as being "Marvelous", a bit over the top too. I`m glad you enjoy the stiffer/sportier ride the SX Model gets with its HD suspension and low profile tire/wheels. I drove (all) three Models and again, I personally enjoyed the softer more comfortable ride of both the LX and EX. Probably because I`m older and retired, and have long forgotten the feel of driving my "new" 1967 Corvette StingRay Convertible, back in the day. Guess thats why they make Cars in different Models so that they can appeal to most everyones individual preference be it with Color or Equipment. Enjoy your new Kia Rio5 SX and get back in the future and we can see if (either) of our vehicles improve their fuel efficiency with additional miles driven. I doubt it, but one never knows, does one? Cheers!
#77 of 242 RIO SX Best In Class
Jul 20, 2012 (12:24 pm)
I'm also an older guy and this car makes me feel younger. Suspension is a personal thing. I don't want a rough ride and I don't in any way find the SX ride stiff. The RIO is not a sports car so the SX package, including the low profile wheels/tires, gives me better handling and a more secure feel for the road. But once again, there's no right or wrong here, it's personal taste.
Phil, I agreed with much of what you said in your last post except for fuel economy. I'm very pleased with the 31-32 mpg I get in combined driving. As I mentioned several times, I had no illusion that I would match the EPA mileage rating, but combined driving is pretty close.
In addition, on my last highway trip I got 37.6 mpg, which is also relatively close to the EPA highway rating, so I'm not complaining. Since I never expected 40 mpg, getting close to 38 is fine in my book.
The only area where I agree with you about mpg is city driving.
#78 of 242 Re: RIO SX Best In Class [btatr]
Jul 20, 2012 (12:07 pm)
btatr: My friend, I`m glad we reached some common ground if not consensus on a lot of our 2012 Kia Rio5`s attributes. I will humbly agree to disagree on our major difference of opinion in regards to the Fuel Economy of this vehicle. So be it. I see that in the new 2013 Kia Rio, they made very few changes across all 3 Trim Lines LX, EX, and SX. A Luggage under-floor tray and net besides the Luggage area cover that we (both) have is now standard on both EX and SX Models but not on the Base LX. The Base LX for 2013 now gets the "Active-Eco" Switch and electronics, partially do to my (bitching) to Kia that they should have included it in the 2012 LX Line since Hyundai had it as standard equipment on its 2012 Accent in all trim levels. Still no Armrest with Storage Box on the Center Console for the LX, a major disappointment for me that I corrected by having purchased all the necessary OEM Parts and having it installed afterwards. Still no Spare Tire and Jack assembly in the trunk but I took care of that by purchasing a 15`` Emergency Spare Donut and Jack Assembly off a 2008 Kia Rio5 on Ebay and tossing the toy air-compressor and can of tire sealant foam into the trash. A lot of good that nifty kit would be if one suffered a sidewall tire cut or failure. Oh, two new paint colors added, Aurora Black replaces Midnight Black, and Midnight Sapphire is newly added for the Sedans only. The SX also gets for 2013 a Steering- wheel-mounted paddle shifter. Everything else looks like a carry over from the 2012 run as expected. Enjoy your weekend. I`m planning on doing some serious BBQ myself, and I don`t mean Hot Dogs and Hamburgers. Between the Pork Shoulders, Beef Brisket, Ribs and Poultry, I`m doing enough to appease my neighbors from complaining about the (smoke) by feeding most of them to gain their patience. Cheers
#79 of 242 Re: RIO SX Best In Class [phill1]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Jul 20, 2012 (12:14 pm)
Save some brisket! If I leave now, i can be there in about, oh... 28 hours.
#80 of 242 RIO SX Best In Class
Jul 20, 2012 (12:36 pm)
Phil said about the 2013 model, "A Luggage under-floor tray....."
Wow! When I bought the RIO I was disappointed because it didn't have the under floor tray that our KIA Forte SX has. Believe me Phil, that doesn't sound like much, but it's a nifty addition. Why? Because it increases storage significantly and helps organize everything into its own compartment.
I wonder if 2012 owners can purchase that tray? I'll have to ask at the KIA owner's website.
By the way, as much as I love my RIO, the Forte SX model is even better and a hidden gem in the automobile market. But you wouldn't like it because fuel economy isn't a major plus. The SX model has a killer 2.4 Liter engine that is soooooooooooo fast. It's like the big brother of the RIO with more storage and interior room. They even look alike.
As for the spare, at first I wasn't happy and somewhat apprehensive. But then I thought about it and realized in over 40 years of driving, I never had a flat on the road that disabled my car. Yes I had nails in tires and several slow leaks which required repair and/or replacing the tire, but never a total flat on the road.
Besides, doesn't KIA provide FREE roadside assistance the first 5 years?
#81 of 242 Re: RIO SX Best In Class [kirstie_h]
Jul 20, 2012 (2:30 pm)
kristie; The Briskets and Shoulders are going in the "Pit" around 6:00pm tomorrow and will probably come off between 4:00 and 6:00pm Sun. The Ribs and Poultry will go in around Noon time Sunday along with Louisiana Bouidan Sausage and a few Texas Beef Links too. See you around 7:00 pm Sunday. If you run a bit late, just like Tom Bodeit from Motel 6, I`ll leave the light on for you. Depending where you coming from, bring a few Cases of Craft Micro-Brewed Beer with you.
#82 of 242 Re: RIO SX Best In Class [btatr]
Jul 20, 2012 (2:36 pm)
Any parts that are now coming on the 2013 Kia Rio`s are available through the Parts Department. After they shoot you a price, you might want to check on Ebay with some of the Korean Resellers that advertise on there. I have bought a ton of Kia Rio5 OEM factory Accessories for a fraction of the cost at the U.S. Kia Dealers, including the cost of Air Postage shipping parts, from Korea and arriving in 7 to 10 days with no problems at all. I know you seldom have a tire side wall blow out, (but) I personally don`t want to wait hours for a Tow Truck hauling me away whether or not Kia Road Service pays for it or AAA. Its just a aggravation I would rather avoid.
#83 of 242 Edmunds Article on Real World MPG
Jul 20, 2012 (5:08 pm)
The readers on here might be interested in this Edmunds article on real world MPG.
I claimed earlier that the EPA used E-10 gas for their tests, but this article says they use E-0. Since I use E-15 through Kansas occasionally I can attest that the amount of alcohol in the gas makes a big difference in MPG. Not mentioned in the article is that most modern automatics slowly adjust shift points based on the driver's driving style. The factories set the delivered shift points for optimal MPG over the EPA's Highway, City and Combined test "routes". Most people don't duplicate that same route in their daily drives and probably don't duplicate the EPA's "driver" action either (it's a computer). Since the manufacturers know the EPA's exact test "route", in addition to shift points they are also able to program the car's camshaft timing for optimal MPG over the test routes and, in the case of the Accent/Rio twins, include a driver controlled switch (ECO) that makes the transmission upshift sooner and smooths out the car's accelerator action (it's all controlled by the car's computer). The point of all this is that the "ringer" here is the car. Since I drive more gently than most drivers, I've been able to exceed the EPA's estimates with every car I have owned. My neighbor's smart alec kid told me if I drove any slower they would give me a parking ticket (ha ha). Using our car's trip computers I can susally beat my wife's mileage by about 20%. At 7k I'm now averaging 35 MPG using the Rio's trip computer (probably 75% rural, 25% city). That beats the heck out of my old PT Cruiser's 25 MPG average over the same mixed roads. I haven't compared the GPS's computed MPG with the Rio's trip computer, but the Rio's trip odometer is off by only 1% higher with its new tires inflated to 35 PSI. I love the Rio's looks, value and practicality, but I miss my old Cruiser.