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#143 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 03, 2013 (8:23 am)
Out of fear of being banned for life, stones and beheaded, I make this Post (strictly) in Reply to the inquiry of gimmestdtranny, (only). As I`m sure you realize, Kia has (now) reduced its fraudulent EPA Fuel Estimates regarding its 2012-2013 Kia Rio and Rio5 vehicles by "4" MPG Highway ratings of 40 mpg are (now) listed at 36 mpg, and city #`s have been reduced as well Oh My! The question you presented in wanting more information in regards to (my) experience of my 2011 Ford Fiesta SE hatchback with its 1.6 lte (non) GDI engine coupled with its dual clutch 6 speed automatic transmission is based solely on (my) experience. I pre-ordered my Fiesta including Sun Roof in Mar of 2010 and took delivery July 20, 2010. I have driven it almost 30 months and have 27K mileage. Even considering my vehicle was a early production model, I have had "ZERO" issue`s whatsoever, period. This car has (never) produced less then 33/35 mpg in heavy stop and go city driving with the A/C engaged all the time here in South FL. Highway fuel economy at speeds of 75 mph + maintain at between 41-43 mpg, always! The jerky, clunky occasional movement that happens once in a while (only) at low speeds, to (me) is a small price to pay for this hybrid quality fuel economy. I can`t speak for Cold Weather issues with the Ford Fiesta since neither I nor my Car travel North of Central FL. Getting back to my 2012 Kia Rio5, I still enjoy the Car, very comfortable, plenty of power, excellent handling, great braking, good looks, lousy fuel economy, period, especially for a small car in the B-Segment/Sub Compact field.
#144 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [phill1]
Jan 03, 2013 (9:29 am)
Ok thanks, I'll try to find some more detailed specific feedback regarding potential longevity issues/costs on some Fiesta threads. There must be some that touch on this here on Edmunds.
FWIW, I don't mind occasional clunky, as long as it has longevity potential. Aside from possible other better gearing/tuning, one of the reasons the Fiesta is getting those very impressive numbers (mpg-wise) is that apparently the dual clutch auto has no more parasitic losses than a manual....save perhaps the initial launch to movement in 1st from a stop. There must still be a torquer converter of sorts. Hydraulics, while having more parasitic losses through their very nature of design, have certainly proven themselves in terms of relative longevity potential. (Not counting the ones that are known to be problematic of course).
These dual-clutch units however don't have the same number of miles under their belt to prove their potential.
Which just occurred to me...I should probably try to search for my questions on a European Fiesta forum since this tech has been used there before here in America. (not counting farm tractors) The only stories (horror type) I have read so far were of certain VW units, that had failed servos etc and instead of replacing a single part, were engineered to have to have the entire pack-part replaced and costs were north of $5k. Sorta like having to buy a whole new circuit board for your TV, when really the only component that failed was a $3.27 capacitor..
#145 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 03, 2013 (9:56 am)
Well, exactly how long do you plan on keeping this Ford Fiesta if you (do) purchase it? If its going to be a "till death do you part" purchase, perhaps more research would be prudent. I usually keep my (2) vehicles for between 6 and 7 years. All my previous Hyundai and Kia purchases, I just ran out the factory 5 year and 60K Warranty and hoped for the best. I got stuck with my 2006 Kia Rio5 after the Warranty expired with a couple of several hundred dollar repairs for electronic module replacements, ( 2 different separate coils) that failed. One failed under warranty and was no cost. Unlike the "old days" where there was (one), if you have a 4 cyl engine, your now have (4). If you decide on a Ford Fiesta and plan to keep it forever, I`d suggest purchasing "online" from a Ford Internet reseller an extended Ford Extended Warranty Plan, "ESP" They are deeply discounted, honored by Ford anywhere in the US and Canada Dealerships, you can choose a zero, $50 or $100 deductible and your worries are over for as many years and miles as you want to purchase. They will even pro-rate and refund funds for un-used time and milage if you decide to sell or trade the Car before the warranty expires. ONLY if you have the misfortune of having your Ford vehicle registered in the State of Florida must you pay full MSRP and not shop for a heavily discounted rate. I must confess, I do like my Fiesta but all in all, if its fuel economy was not so pitiful with the 2012-2013 Kia Rio5, I prefer the new Rio for comfort, performance, looks, and its warranty. That said, I have been a loyal Ford buyer for years and being a Shareholder, have bought them below invoice through Ford`s "X" Purchase Plan with zero Dealer Fees. Happy shopping.
#146 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [phill1]
Jan 03, 2013 (11:11 am)
Thanks for idea of ESP. Usually I am a ney-sayer when it comes to having to pay for extended warranties. Except that recently I learned that unlike less than a decade ago, the need for an EW when buying a new TV is greater than ever now. I have had personal experience in a negative way with this one..Samsung..welcome to the boycott list for 'renting' me a TV. I say renting because the costs involved in only 3.5 years of ownership in order to repair a well known part failure capacitor that they decided they would not cover just for me
My problem with deciding what new tech to go with, is directly related to my warranties (in recent past and predicted future) running out due to time, not miles/kms). One reason for this is miles ridden on the bike in summer months are miles not put on the car. In fact I usually ride more kms per year than I drive. It's about a 2/3rd ratio.
That said, if I had an ultra low fuel user..(my new plan) I know I will drive more in the winter. I literally drive less due to fuel costs..and the fact that I don't like the comfort, noise, ride and quite a few other things about my present ride.
So when it comes to dependability/reliability per $ spent, I need to decide what is long-term dependable/ $'s spent initially and over the life of ownership.
#147 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 03, 2013 (11:33 am)
I repeat, I (never) purchase EW. Televisions are too inexpensive and if you get 5 to 7 years out of a new LCD or LED Unit, one is ready for a new improved one anyway. I would (never) purchase an aftermarket Vehicle EW from anyone, other then the original manufacturer. I have had excellent experience with (4) prior Ford ESP Plans on different Ford vehicles. Like I stated earlier, as long as you don`t live or have your car registered in the State of Florida, several Ford Dealers on line offer huge discounted Plans. If you do purchase a Ford product and plan on keeping it beyond 3 years and 36K, its a no-brainer. Good luck!
#148 of 242 Update on My 2012 RIO SX 5 Door
Jan 07, 2013 (5:22 am)
My 5 door SX model is 13 months old. I'm afraid to say this, but I haven't had a single problem. FYI, my girlfriend has a 2011 KIA Forte SX with one minor problem in 2 years. You can't ask for more and it's great knowing if a problem ever pops up, we have the best warranty in the industry.
I know there are some forum members who are obsessed with fuel economy, but for me, that's only one of several factors to consider when purchasing a vehicle. I'm going to update my latest fuel economy numbers at the end of this message, but for now, here's why I love my car.
The RIO SX is very roomy, extremely comfortable, especially on long trips, it accelerates briskly, and has tight, nimble handling (not sports car handling). I love the LED lights in the front, rear, and on the side view mirrors (which fold in with the touch of a button). The car is sleek, aerodynamic, and constantly receives praise from others who come up to me and tell me how great it looks. I'm surprised to say that I'm addicted to my backup camera and UVO (Sirius Satellite Radio and the Jukebox).
Latest fuel economy figures after I moved to a new state with different driving conditions.
Highway Only: 36-37 mpg
City Only: 24-25 mpg
Combined Driving: 30-31 mpg
#149 of 242 Re: Update on My 2012 RIO SX 5 Door [btatr]
Jan 07, 2013 (5:46 am)
I know you were waiting for me to (bite) at you Post but its 2013 and as one of my New Years Resolutions I know I can keep, I will not engage in disputing your delight with 24-25 mpg City in a Vehicle, the smallest in Kia`s Fleet. How an intelligent person can simply dismiss dismal/terrible/poor fuel economy as just (One) of several factors that should be weighted in the consideration of purchasing a Sub-Compact/B-Segment Car. Hopefully Kia has reimbursed you handsomely with their Fuel Rebate Program in addition you you "Religious" devotion to their embarrassing gas guzzling Rio`s, that get basically the same Fuel Economy as their Full Size Optima. Happy New Year and Happy Motoring.
#150 of 242 Re: Update on My 2012 RIO SX 5 Door [btatr]
Jan 07, 2013 (6:54 pm)
We have about 18k on the clock and we're averaging around 38 mpg in our mostly rural setting. That's 10 mpg better than the PT Cruiser it replaced so we're happy with the mileage. No problems at all and every thing is still tight. Surprisingly, those dinky little tires (EX) are showing no wear.
Pros: Looks, mileage, rattle free, "glove" box that holds 13" laptop, price, warranty, one-touch turn signals.
Cons: Cup holders, no DRL (EX), and, after 10 hours on the Interstate, electric steering and hard seats.
For my gear head friends I like pointing out the direct injection, chain drive camshafts and sealed for life transmission.
In spite of all the hullabaloo about the EPA mileage estimates, we're very happy with our mileage.
#151 of 242 Re: Update on My 2012 RIO SX 5 Door [skeptic101]
Jan 08, 2013 (5:23 am)
skeptic101: I guess averaging 38 mpg would be acceptable too me but I never get to 34 mpg especially driving at speeds of 70 -75 mph. You going from the PT Cruiser Gas Hog, the Kia looks relatively good, huh? You did fail to mention what your (city) mpg is. Mine is about 25-26. Odd that to cover the extra expense of having the best extended bumper to bumper warrantee in the business HKAK Group, Hyundia/Kia deleted the Daytime Running Lights from all of its Models with the exception of the fancy LED DRL`s on its SX line. Hyundai puts them on their entire fleet with the exception of the Accent while its Elantra and Sonata get them. If you look closely into your headlamp assembly you will see the extra hole where the (pilot/drl) lamp goes on Canadian and foreign market vehicles. I find the seats comfortable, I (do) like the electric steering and find its drivability to be very good. Too bad that with a state of the art 6 speed automatic transmission, a high tech 1.6 ltr engine with GDI and it can`t achieve respectable fuel economy for a car in its segment.
#152 of 242 MPG Is Only One Factor
Jan 08, 2013 (5:45 am)
I never believed those fairly tale EPA numbers, and except for city only driving mpg, I'm pleased with my highway only and combined driving results. As I've stated before, everything in life is relative. If you are someone who is obsessed with mpg above all else, then the RIO probably isn't your kind of vehicle.
However, if you want a wide array of terrific features, which I described in my previous post, and enjoy driving this fabulous car for so many reasons, you'll be a much happier person. It's no secret that I love my RIO SX 5 door as I don't allow my disappointment with city only mileage to ruin an incredibly fun experience when I'm behind the wheel of my nimble SX.
I choose to concentrate on that long list of features which makes this is such a fabulous car for the money. I learned that lesson a long time ago, don't dwell on the negatives in your life, concentrate on all of the positives and you will feel so much better.
And best of all guys, I'm always afraid to say this, but I haven't had one single problem with my RIO SX in 13 months. My girlfriend's KIA Forte SX had one minor trim related issue in two years. Wow! That's what I'm talking about!