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#127 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [randall12]
Nov 05, 2012 (10:39 am)
Oh No, .....Say it`s (not) so! OMG! Both Hyundai and Kia are (now) finally admitting that they have grossly over exaggerated their EPA Fuel Economy Estimates for most of their entire "Fleet" of Vehicles Including of course their 2012 and 2013 Kia Rio and Rio5`s. Kia`s "Soul" gets the prize of having its Fuel Economy Estimates overstated by a mere 6 MPG which makes its Rio model look good. I promised never to Post another comment on this "Board" on this matter so that my Friend "btatr" and I could end the pissing contest once and for all, but just like in Korea, home of our beloved Vehicles, occasionally a few shots are exchanged along the "DMZ". The article today published in the Nov 5 , 2012 USA Today Newspaper exposed the scam that HKAG, Hyundai/Kia Automotive Group used to inflate its Fuel Economy Estimates on a wide range of its Models including its 2012/2013 Kia Rio line, its B-Segment-Sub Compact gas sipper that they (now) admit is a bit thirstier then they first stated. I`m totally "Shocked"! Guess I`ll be off to my local Kia Dealership and have my Vehicles VIN # and mileage documented so I can get my (windfall) 15% Gasoline Rebate processed. I`m sure its going to be a huge cheque! Perhaps "btatr" will inform me what Charity he would like me to send my funds to in his behalf. No need to end your love affair with your beloved Kia Rio5 SX and file for divorce. I`m still keeping my Kia Rio5 because other then its dismal fuel efficiency, I still (like) the car. My only advice to "randall12" is if you like the looks, performance, comfort, and value of the 2012/2013 Kia Rio/ Rio5 and can except its mediocre Fuel Consumption, go ahead, pull the trigger and buy it. I`m sure you will enjoy the Car. It still provides a lot of bang for your buck and is fun to drive. If your looking for a B-Segment/Sub Compact Car that gets (outstanding) MPG, I`d suggest giving the Ford Fiesta another look too. I just returned from a 475 mile trip to Georgia this weekend (each way) and got between 41-42 MPG, Highway driving at 75-80 MPH with A/C on! I`m sure you will be happy choosing either Vehicle. It took almost a year but I`m finally vindicated by todays edition of USA Today and the admission by both Kia and Hyundai admitting that their EPA Fuel Economy Labels will now be (lowered) to reflect a more realistic expectation.PS: I wonder if Ford Motors will expect its Buyers of its 2011 to 2013 Fiesta to send back an adjustment of 15% for the unexpected superior MPG that they incorrectly (under-estimated) with its EPA Fuel Economy Ratings?
#128 of 242 KIA RIO: More than Just Fuel Economy
Nov 05, 2012 (12:22 pm)
I said this a million times in this thread, fuel economy was just one of many reasons I bought the RIO 5 SX. I never expected 40 mpg and was pleased with my real world numbers which were posted throughout this thread......................... The RIO is a fantastic small car for many reasons. It is roomy, has brisk acceleration, nimble handling, fantastic looks, UVO, LED running and brake lights. The side mirrors also have LED lighting. Those very same side mirrors are electronically heated and fold in with the push of a button when parking in tight spaces such as a shopping mall. The RIO SX also has a REAR VIEW CAMERA which turns out to be extremely helpful. ..........................I just went on 3 very long trips and it was extremely comfortable. While on the highway, I usually drove 75 mph and often inadvertently went over 80 mph because the engine is so quiet that I never realized how fast I was actually driving............... Phil is obsessed with fuel economy, but for me, as I consistently stated, it was only one of many variables that made this decision a no brainer. And if all that isn't enough, AFTER ONE YEAR I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED A SINGLE PROBLEM. How nice is that? ............................................................................ Everyone has to decide what their priorities are. If you think like me and appreciate all of the outstanding features listed above, you will fall in love with this car. If you're number one priority is fuel economy, then maybe you should choose another brand.
Nov 05, 2012 (2:57 pm)
A reporter would like to speak to Hyundai and Kia owners who agree or disagree with the latest controversy over MPG. If you own a Hyundai or a Kia and would like to speak to a reporter about your experience with your car's fuel economy, please send your daytime and evening contact info to predmunds.com no later than Tuesday, November 6, 2012 at 8 a.m. PT/11 a.m. ET.
#130 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [phill1]
Nov 05, 2012 (3:08 pm)
...phill1, i for one have been missing you. you came to mind the moment i saw the usa today article. in fact, i wondered if you had been the one hectoring the epa...keep posting, your insights and facts are invaluable to those of us still sitting on the kia/fiesta fence... the back and forth, a welcome dash of spice to the forum...
#131 of 242 Ford Fiesta vs KIA RIO
Nov 05, 2012 (3:18 pm)
Hey Dilon, I think you should get off the fence and buy a Fiesta. If you go with the Fiesta, you will get an inferior manufacturer's warranty vs the best one in the industry from KIA, less storage capacity and interior room, less horsepower and torque, but a very good car that looks a lot like the RIO.
#132 of 242 Re: Rio5 mileage [phill1]
Nov 05, 2012 (5:24 pm)
Phil, again my hat goes off to you sir. It's in depth debate on forums like these where you find the real truth. Be it any vehicle. I've lurked in the shadows of this thread since it was created and I always appreciated your valued input. I love the looks of the Rio5, but I don't like the fact of HKAG, Hyundai/Kia Automotive Group mis-advertising this and they always knew the real truth but did not disclose it. Shame on them.
2 or 3 mpg may not be a issue to some people; however, it adds up over time with a 70 mile round trip commute each day to work and back. I'm located in South Central Florida. So, all my driving is flat and straight with A/C most of the time. I follow the posted mileage reports over at www.fuelly.com and it's interesting to see some of the results. So, in my case with the miles I travel to work and back those few mpg's Kia lied about would cost me some nice cash over time.
Mediocre fuel consumption is something I cannot tolerate when it's advertised at 40mpg. I really do think deep down Hyundai and Kia has a good thing going. Maybe this exposure will cause HKAG to do some R&D tweaking to get the little GDI engine to obtain the "Real Stated 40 MPG Mark". I know the '13 Rio isn't changed, but there is hope for the '14 to be the real deal. I'm leaning more towards the Fiesta at this time, but I'll hold off a little longer to see what Kia does in the near future.
Phil, I wish you the best on getting back any refunds for fuel you spent on your Kia. Make sure you get your info in asap. Thanks again for your valued input for all to see...
#133 of 242 Buy The Fiesta
Nov 05, 2012 (5:44 pm)
Randall, I have the same advice for you I gave Dillon. I think you should buy a Fiesta. If you go with the Fiesta, you will get an inferior manufacturer's warranty vs the best one in the industry from KIA, less storage capacity and interior room, less horsepower and torque, but a very good car that looks a lot like the RIO. ................................................................................- .
If you carefully followed Phil's threads as you claim, you would have known his numbers didn't add up. The EPA lab tests are one thing but real world driving is another. I know what kind of mileage I actually get in real world driving and I've read messages from others who get better mpg than I do. Phil's alleged mpg doesn't jive with their reports and was very different from what I consistently got in my experience . If you rely upon Phil as your guide to the KIA RIO I think you're making a mistake.
#134 of 242 Re: Buy The Fiesta [btatr]
Nov 06, 2012 (5:58 am)
btatr; Funny, after countless comments and Postings on this thread, you (still) remain so "defensive" about your ridiculous attachment and "love affair" with your Kia Rio5 SX. Your certainly allowed to be Kia`s Cheerleader but how many times must I remind you, its just a damn CAR, got it? Its not your Wife, Child, or your beloved floppy eared Dog that your obligated to be so protective of. I guess you must have overlooked the comment that I made where I stated that I still (liked) my 2012 Kia Rio5 despite the fact that a fuel efficient B-Segment / Sub Compact car it is (not). All its other attributes that your in (love) with, I pretty much agree with. I too like Kia/Hyundai`s 5 year 60K bumper to bumper Warranty. This is my third Kia/Hyundai vehicle that I`ve owned but (none) were purchased strictly because of the superior Warranty. By the way, "btatr, if you think that the 2012/2013 Kia Rio5 looks even remotely like a Ford Fiesta Hatchback, its time for an Eye Examination. Other then the fact that they both have 5 doors, run on 4 tires, (the Fiesta actually having an Emergency Spare Tire too instead of a mini-toy air compressor and can of tire sealant goo), they don`t look similar at all. Perhaps your confused and meant that the 2012/2013 Hyundai Accent Hatchback looks a lot like the Ford Fiesta Hatchback. Thats exactly why I purchased the Kia Rio instead of the Hyundai Accent so I would`nt have two look alike vehicles parked in my Garage. I know you won`t be stopping by (your) Kia Dealership to claim your rebate funds for the admitted misleading false Fuel Economy scam but I will. Perhaps I will send the cheque to the "Ford Foundation" that helps fund NPR and Public Television. The same Media that broadcast on "Auto Week" that the 2012 Kia Rio5 that they tested got better fuel economy then a Hybrid and even (they) admitted they could`nt figure out how or why they got the results that they reported. As I suspected, they probably were loaned the same Vehicle that was used to support the EPA Fuel Economy estimates before the Car was launched.
#135 of 242 Phil: Please Read Carefully
Nov 06, 2012 (7:05 am)
You enjoy insulting people but have a hard time keeping your facts correct. I merely pointed out for the nth time that I'm very different than you. For me, fuel economy is only one factor out of many when deciding which car to buy. I listed a wide array of nifty features which I like in my RIO which would make me a buyer even without the excellent fuel economy. And unlike you, I'm pleased with my mpg ratings because I never expected those fantasy EPA numbers.
But instead of acknowledging my opinions and/or expressing your own, you can't resist throwing in childish insults. What can I say Phil other than this would be a much better thread if you would resist doing such.
As for looks, I went out for fast food earlier this week and a Fiesta (same color as mine) was parked next to my car. I initially thought it was mine, but then I stepped back and realized it's a nice looking vehicle but not nearly as sharp looking as my RIO.
I haven't looked into it yet but if KIA is offering some kind of cash rebate, I will put it in my bank account.
#136 of 242 Re: Phil: Please Read Carefully [btatr]
Nov 06, 2012 (8:33 am)
Oooops, guess I did it again as Brittney Spears used to say. I indeed re-read carefully (everything) that I stated and I guess its time for me (once again) to offer you an apology for "insulting" your (opinion). Perhaps your "optics" don`t need correction however if you happen to come across a Hyundai Dealership I`m sure you would have to agree that the 2012/2013 Hyundai Accent Hatchback has a much more Ford Fiesta Hatchback resemblance then the 2012/2013 Kia Rio5 Hatchback. I do however feel that you accepting cash back from Kia for its misrepresenting accurate Fuel Economy MPG numbers would not be fair or honest since in (your) opinion you feel that Kia was not guilty of any wrong doing and all in all your quite satisfied with Rio`s fuel economy or at the very least, its other positive attributes far exceeds its failure to be the fuel efficient vehicle that it was marketed as. I`m looking forward to hearing from the "HOST" Steve and discuss in further detail (my) disappointment in the Kia Rio`s (realtime) MPG. Needless to say, I have discussed the matter at length with Kia Headquarters in California.