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Hyundai Elantra, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Hatchback, Sedan
#623 of 774 Re: Hyundai & Kia admit false fuel economy [dodgeman07]
Nov 04, 2012 (1:24 pm)
I'm not sure what this issue has to do with elections or natural disasters. I should have been suspicious when after signing my purchase paperwork the sales manager laughingly said he never got the rated mileage driving his Elantra and said it was because he had a "heavy foot". Even the Ford sales person which is across the street from the Hyundai showroom, and both dealerships owned by same person/group, said he had a person trade in an Elantra after three months because she could only get 31 miles/gallon highway driving which is not to far from my experience so far. I traded in a 2008 Sate Fe and will regret the trade forever. The Santa Fe was a great vehicle and my false reasoning was to get a long term vehicle for better gas mileage. The Santa Fe did come very close to the mileage ratings so I'm not sure why this happened. I've also read in this thread that the EPA/Federal Government was responsible for verifying these mileage claims so do they have some culpability here as well?
#624 of 774 Re: Hyundai/Kia Penalties and more [fowler3]
Nov 04, 2012 (1:40 pm)
Except that there ARE other cars that reach their EPA ratings in the real world. Hondas are relatively famous for it. Toyotas, as much as I hate the way the things drive, they tend to do it. The Mazda3 gets EPA in the real world, as do Volkswagen's TDI models.
#625 of 774 Smoke and Fire
Nov 04, 2012 (2:00 pm)
As I stated nearly a year ago, where there is smoke, there is fire. Why do people on this board continue to deny that the "building is on fire?" Give it a rest already. The company overhyped results. That doesn't mean the company builds a bad product (I say this as I am taking my ET in for a new transmission). It just means that normal every day drivers are not coming close to achieving the advertised results. Enough people have seen the "smoke".....the building IS on fire. It is time to move on. If you don't like the product they are selling, move to another company. I love the value I get from Hyundai. I won't sell mine; I won't complain about the choices I make in life despite my new car having a shody transmission, and I won't migrate over to the other H company that sells near bullet proof cars that cost a whole lot more for minimalist interiors.
#626 of 774 Re: Hyundai/Kia Penalties and more [fowler3]
Nov 04, 2012 (4:54 pm)
Why would it be dumb to think you should get EPA estimates when I've gotten them (or better) in every car I've ever owned and so has everyone I know.
Hyundai/Kia lied. Plain and simple. Their paltry offer of $100 or $200? A joke. You will get hosed on re-sale value AND be spending more on fuel as long as you own your car.
I would ask for thousands of dollars back to cover fuel, re-sale, fraud, etc.
Of course they're saying "a dozen bank errors in our favor" to avoid the fraud charge. What else are they lying about?
#627 of 774 Re: Hyundai/Kia Penalties and more [dodgeman07]
Nov 04, 2012 (5:12 pm)
I would ask for thousands of dollars back to cover fuel, re-sale, fraud, etc.
A difference of 1 mpg overall is worth thousands of dollars in extra fuel? Above and beyond what Hyundai is already paying owners... including the 15 percent extra for "inconvenience"?
Or you think this 1 mpg difference will decrease the resale value of Elantras by thousands of dollars?
As for fraud... to get any money for that, there would need to be a class action suit. That would take awhile. Fraud would need to be proven. What if there was no fraud, just incredible stupidity? Then if there was fraud and it could be proven, the lawyers would get their share. After those costs, owners would be lucky to get more than what Hyundai has already offered--reimbursement for gas differential, plus 15% for inconvenience.
What about all the other cars that don't meet their EPA numbers for drivers? Are those manufacturers lying too?
#628 of 774 Re: Told you so! [eweiner]
Nov 04, 2012 (5:57 pm)
I have never gotten below 30 mpg on my 2012 Elantra. Using real gas and not corn oil, I have gotten as high as 45 on it. The highest with corn oil is 43. My biggest complaint what they show as the mpg you are getting. My computer is off from 3-5 mpg! The dealer supposedly replaced it but it improved nothing, still off 3-5 mpg. Either they didn't replace it or Hyundai simply programs them to be off 3-5 mpg. I divide my miles by gallons on every tankful. I get my best gas mileage on real gas, then corn oil BP and then corn oil Shell. I am a salesman so I travel a lot of miles.
#629 of 774 Re: Hyundai/Kia Penalties and more [backy]
Nov 04, 2012 (6:21 pm)
Hyundai/Kia lied. Fraud will come out in the criminal trials. This is a violation of civil law also.
The other companies? Name them and list the cars they lied about.
Yeah right, we made dozens of "mistakes" over 3 model years and on over a dozen models ALL in our favor and several to achieve 40mpg hwy.
I have a bridge to sell the Hyundai/Kia owners who believe that one.
#630 of 774 Re: Hyundai/Kia Penalties and more [dodgeman07]
Nov 04, 2012 (6:44 pm)
You should contact the Attorney General immediately to give them your evidence re how Hyundai/Kia lied, it could be important to their case.
For someone who doesn't own an Elantra or ANY Hyundai/Kia, you seem to be really upset about this.
About ten years ago, there was a class action suit against Hyundai re its overstating the horsepower on several 1996-2002 models, including the Elantra. The overstatement on the Elantra was 5 hp--135 vs. 140. I owned one of those cars. Hyundai said it was an honest mistake, and no fraud was ever proven (not sure it was ever charged). Hyundai offered on its own accord to compensate owners through extended warranties and roadside assistance coverage... which sounded pretty darn good to me.
But then the lawyers got involved. It took 2 years of legal wrangling, but finally there was a settlement that called for compensation in the form of prepaid debit cards good at various retailers and valued at $50 to $225, or shopping cards worth $100 to $325 good for parts or service at Hyundai dealerships. The size of the payment depended on the degree to which a vehicle's horsepower was inflated. Since it was only 5 hp for my Elantra, I got (I think) a $100 shopping card, which I used for parts/service on my car (I think my other choice was a $50 debit card). I would much rather have had what Hyundai originally offered: an extended warranty and roadside assistance. But I took the card and considered it free money, since my car had no less horsepower than the day I drove it off the dealer's lot, it had plenty of power (and for its time, purchased in 2000, it was near the top of the class in power), 5 hp would have made absolutely no difference to me in deciding to purchase the car, and it affected the car's resale value when I sold it a couple of years later by... zero (the buyer didn't even ask about horsepower; it never came up).
Go go ahead, Elantra owners, push for a fraud case and class action lawsuit. At the end, I have a feeling you won't be any better off for it.
Nov 04, 2012 (10:59 pm)
I had about 12k miles on my 2012 Elantra and never came close to 40mpg during a highway trip, and generally averaged 32mpg in my weekly commute to and from work. I ditched the car for the Mazda 3 Skyactiv and get between 37-41mpg in the same weekly drive. Currently at 11.5k miles with the Mazda. I try to drive a constant 70mph on the freeway unless coasting down a hill takes me faster. I log my mileage and gallons filled up at the pump in my logbook.
I never got more than 34mpg driving from the Bay Area to Sacramento in the elantra but I easily get 40mpg with my 3 Skyactiv driving the same way.