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Hyundai Elantra, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Hatchback, Sedan
#200 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [atlanticone]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Feb 07, 2012 (8:22 am)
I get that some tests are showing very good gas mileage.
What you're not taking into account is that there MAY BE a flaw in SOME of the vehicles that is preventing owners, regardless of driving habits, from achieving acceptable MPGs. You can show all of the tests you like, but I can tell you right now that we are seeing pervasive complaints about this vehicle (and one other vehicle) that we are not seeing about other models. Even in models that are touted as having similar MPG ratings, that sell a higher volume of product - we aren't seeing near the number of complaints about MPG, even at the same break-in period.
So, if you want to believe that Elantra drivers are way, way more aggressive drivers, by a big majority, than, say, Civic drivers, that's your choice, but it pretty much defies logic and statistical probability.
We also see the same complaint in our consumer vehicle reviews, and there isn't a lot of crossover between those reviewers and forums posters:
#201 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [kirstie_h]
Feb 07, 2012 (2:28 pm)
Any customers that feel there is a defect should visit their dealer to ensure that is not the case. Our quality standards are very high. We stand behind our products. Studies and independent tests show that actual mpg figures are in line with what we advertise. Popular Mechanics is the latest we've seen. The independently-run JD Power APEAL study conducted recently showed that our owners are most satisfied with mpg in the compact segment, above any other competitor. In fact, over 50% of our owners rate fuel economy and driving range as a 9 or 10 on a 10-point scale. That figure is 7% higher than the next highest rated competitor.
Back in December we released a document on Twitter attempting to help explain any discrepancy.
I hope this helps explain some of the concerns and factors that affect fuel economy.
- Rob L, Hyundai Product PR Manager
#202 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [kirstie_h]
Feb 07, 2012 (2:36 pm)
I believe one of the main reasons you are seeing pervasive complaints, is due to the publicity this has gotten from Consumer Watchdog and more people who are fuel concious purchasing the vehicle due to it's 40 MPG rating. I know several 2011-2012 Elantra owners that are happy with the MPG on the vehicle and it is falling within the guidelines posted on the Monroney Sticker. If a person who is purchasing the vehicle based on fuel economy only ( which a majority of people who are purchasing the Elantra are,) then they are more likely to complain about the vehicle then someone who was purchasing it for interior or other features. Just by watching the Highways around the country, how many people are actually driving efficiently, when they are averaging 70MPH. Not many. So expect more complaints when people who purchase the vehicle are not driving properly to achieve the 40 MPG that is and has been proven better on the Elantra.
#203 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [atlanticone]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Feb 07, 2012 (2:54 pm)
I definitely agree with you there - if someone's primary reason for purchase is a particular feature, or if it swayed them away from the competition, they are always going to be more conscious of that aspect of performance. I definitely see a lot of satisfaction with the vehicle, even from those who aren't achieving what they think they should MPG-wise, with most or all other aspects of the vehicle.
I didn't purchase my vehicle for MPG, and I barely pay attention to what I get. I needed an AWD vehicle, and I can sure tell you I'd notice if that weren't performing to expectations, even if everything else was great. We see a similar complaint from buyers who were swayed to some Ford vehicles by the My Touch/Sync system that isn't working properly. They have no complaints about other aspects, but that feature is making them sour on the whole vehicle.
If people are achieving WAY below what they expected, and are beyond a break-in period, and are taking steps to maximize fuel efficiency, I would most certainly recommend that they take it to a dealership - repeatedly and persistently if necessary.
#204 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [kirstie_h]
Feb 07, 2012 (4:12 pm)
If people are achieving WAY below what they expected, ...
But... what was expected?
My advice is and has been, if the FE of a car is significantly lower than the EPA rating on a controlled test (details for which I've posted in these discussions numerous times so will not bore everyone here), under best-case conditions, then it's time to take it into the dealer since a problem with the car is one of the few variables left.
#205 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [backy]
Feb 07, 2012 (4:40 pm)
How would one explain 28-30 highway and 3 weeks later 38-40?
All things being equal except for gas (Giant vs Sunoco) and car odometer 600 vs 1400.
I really hope my mpg issues are over.
#206 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [rob_hyundai]
Feb 07, 2012 (5:37 pm)
Thanks for posting Rob. We appreciate hearing from the manufacturer.
I was hoping to complete another Elantra mileage report this week but alas, Enterprise gave me a 2011 Toyota Camry LE. I didn't experience any unintended acceleration on the trip, so that's a plus.
#207 of 774 Re: Hyundai Elantra Real World MPG 2012 [mikewallace1]
Feb 07, 2012 (6:38 pm)
I would say all things were NOT equal... even though it might have seemed like it to you. Think about all the variables: was temperature exactly the same? Speed? Stops/use of brake? Wind?
If the new gas was 100% gas vs. E10, that could explain part of it. As could the additional miles on the engine.
But at least it looks like there's nothing wrong with your car!
#208 of 774 My experience for what its worth
Feb 08, 2012 (3:01 am)
To address some comments above....I did buy the car on the promise of high MPG. Anyone who says that MPG was not a factor is not being honest.
Here are some of my observations.
Yesterday I believe I finally figured out why I am not seeing the MPG ratings I expected on my 2012 Hyundai Elantra. Some of you will probably say that youíve known this all along while others will imply that I must be stupid for not figuring it out sooner.
All I can say is that I have not seen a post that clarified things for me in this manner. Also, I am slow sometimes so bear with me.
I left the office yesterday afternoon at about 3PM. It was sunny and 53. Just as I got on the highway I reset the MPG and drove the 23 mile Inter-county Connector home. My home is just off the ICC, one mile and 2 lights.
While on the ICC I put the cruise control on and set it for 59. Low and behold, I finally saw that elusive 40ish MPG. It ranged from 38.7 to 40.2 and rose and fell with the ups and downs of the highway ( itís not a level drive at times ).
As soon as I got off the ICC, on that final 1 mile to my house, the MPG immediately fell and by the time I parked I was in the 36 range.
The following morning (very early) I reversed the trip. It was 35 degrees outside. By the time I reached the ICC (again only a mile away) my MPG was 34.6. I set my cruise control to 59 and on this 23 mile drive reached a 35.1 MPG.
After thinking about these results I have concluded the following:
1. 40 MPG is possible in fact youíre likely getting it on your highway drives. Unfortunately, it is being obscured by the absolutely horrible city/local MPG
2. The city/local MPG is likely WAY under the conservative 29 estimate and could be as low as 18 to 20 MPG. Thatís right a tiny car like this may only be getting 18 to 20 in the cityÖhow is that possible?
3. Every organization that is testing the car, as well as many posters here, is focused on the wrong MPG rating. Itís the city/local driving MPG that is causing your overall MPG to look so bad. There is also to much focus on point in time trips instead of everyday commutes
4. It does not take much city/local driving to completely trash your overall MPG. Just look at the impact from that 1 mile drive from the ICC to my home. Or look at the impact from minor hills on the ICC (a brand new and relatively flat highway)
5. The colder the weather the worse the MPG seems to be. Why didnít my MPG recover to 40ish the following morning? Clearly there was more highway MPG to offset the city/local MPG, right? I conclude that the highway and city/local MPGs must be lower when itís cold. Perhaps significantly
6. The car appears to have no intelligence when it comes to creating or maintaining MPG. If it did, I believe I would not see such a dramatic fluctuations from hills or from one mile of local driving
7. The ECO mode should do a better job of offsetting the ďLeadĒ foot syndrome. Does not take much of a press of the pedal to achieve a big reaction in RPM
Now this is by no means a scientific test but it does help me to rationalize my results. At this point I guess have to accept that my average MPG will not be as high as expected for my driving situation. I do, however, remain hopeful that MPG will improve as we move into the warmer sprint/summer/fall.
I also hope this information forces the conversation to focus more city/local MPG and why is it so bad for a tiny lightweight car.
I will always feel that Hyundai, and other companies are using puffery and misinformation to mislead consumers by emphasizing unrealistic MPG ratings that are not consistently achievable by most drivers unless they are at the 100% highway level.
#209 of 774 Re: Lies = Less MPGs [avarice1]
Feb 08, 2012 (3:42 am)
I agree 100%.....the best I've gotten so far is 25.5 MPG, thats combined city and highway, it's ridiculous, I did the same exact driving with a 2009 Corolla and got an average of 28 sometimes 30. Plus after driving this car for almost 2 months, I find the ride isn't that great. A lot of road noise, poor handling, weak suspension. There's no comparison to the Corolla. Hyundai does a good job with styling and all the the little extras but it doesn't do what it's supposed to. I bought this car for one reason and that is gas mileage. There's alot of better cars I could have bought and gotten this gas mileage. Maybe we should start a class action action suit.