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#419 of 437 Re: how is the handling in snow and rain? 2012 skyactiv [autonomous]
Jun 23, 2012 (1:30 pm)
It was a friend of ours, but I'm not sure I would put a lot of weight in what she says. So would you say the Mazda 3 is as good as other front wheel drive cars? I know my Mazda6 2005 didn't like snow all that much - the back end stepped out on me this winter. Thank goodness we only get snow that sticks every few years...
Anyways, if anyone else has an opinion on this, I'd love to hear it!
#420 of 437 2013 Mazda3
Jun 25, 2012 (11:11 am)
Just read on cars.com that the 2013 model will include the following items, as standard equipment on the skyactiv Touring and Grand Touring models.
"A passive entry keyless system, push-button start and automatic climate control are now standard on the i Touring and i Grand Touring trims (formerly the options were unavailable)."
#421 of 437 Re: how is the handling in snow and rain? 2012 skyactiv [zzzoom6]
Jun 25, 2012 (1:12 pm)
"We have heard that older models don't like snow so much, but don't know about the current model."
I would think that the performance in winter weather would also be greatly influenced by the tires. And if you're living in a cold weather area, you likely already switch out to winter tires during the snow months. The OEM Bridgestone Turanza EL400s that come with the Mazda3i are not very good in general. Supposedly, Mazda picked them because of their low rolling resistance (i.e., high fuel economy). The chassis itself is very well balanced, but I can definitely find the tires' limit during hard cornering and when driving in the rain. Thankfully, the Turanzas' tread life also sucks, so I will be looking to replace my OEM set when the tread wears down some more.
As far as other winter complaints, I have seen a lot of write-ups on rust problems with older Mazda3s. In my experience, Mazda's paint is definitely on the soft side, and it chips rather easily. I live in a warm weather area with zero road salt, so aside from rock chips, I don't deal with rust on a regular basis.
Also keep in mind that Mazda uses a unique three-layer wet paint process, which they started using about a decade ago. With most other car paint systems, each coat is baked first before the next coat is applied. Mazda's process applies the base and clear coats while the primer coat is still wet, and only bakes after applying the top clearcoat. Mazda touts this as environmentally friendly (which it is, because paint baking consumes a lot of energy and the process cuts VOC emissions), while it also saves time and money. Mazda revised this process a few years ago switching to water-based paints, and Ford and GM now also use a wet layering paint process. I'm not sure if any of this correlates to Mazda's reported rust issues, but something to keep in mind.
#422 of 437 Re: 2013 Mazda3 [m6user]
Jun 25, 2012 (1:34 pm)
Who needs push-button start?!? A USB input would be more welcome! Also the Skyactiv powertrains in the Mazda3i Sport.
#423 of 437 Re: 2013 Mazda3 [backy]
Jun 25, 2012 (2:00 pm)
Those are coming too.
#425 of 437 Who will now pay extra for the Touring model?
Jun 25, 2012 (6:15 pm)
Wonder how this will affect the sales distributions for the 3i Touring and Grand Touring models. Right now, the Touring model costs ~$1,900 more than the 3i Sport, while adding the Skyactiv drivetrain, alloy wheels, cruise control, multi-information display, 6-speaker audio, Bluetooth, steering wheel controls, and leather trimmed steering wheel and gear knob. Not a bad deal for a more efficient and powerful drivetrain, and lots of extra equipment. And right now, more than 70% go for the Skyactiv version, so Mazda has succeeded at upselling consumers to the higher trim level.
In 2013, the Touring model will add keyless entry, push button start, and automatic climate control, while the Sport model adds Skyactiv drivetrain and multi-information display. The Touring model no longer features a better drivetrain, so how many buyers will now pay extra to get the extra equipment (the 5-door starts at the Touring trim level)?
#426 of 437 Re: Who will now pay extra for the Touring model? [woochifer]
Jun 25, 2012 (7:18 pm)
They'll probably pay extra just to move up to the 5-door.