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#190 of 437 Re: Happy 2012 i Touring Owner [m6user]
Dec 15, 2011 (11:28 am)
"As far as the marketing decisions of Mazda goes, there are plenty of manufacturers that only have manual trannies in the base or entry type models. Mazda is certainly not alone in this and this trend did not happen overnight."
Agreed, but if Mazda wants to become another Toyonda, then my current Mazda3 will be my last Mazda.
The thing is, it is Mazda which went out of its way to build up expectations of manual transmission availability by issuing press-releases touting how wonderful their new SkyActiv-MT transmission was going to be (and dedicating an entire web page to the new design and its various attributes). If they'd said up front the SkyActiv models will be Automatic only (or even the well equipped SkyActiv models will be Automatic only), I never would have gotten my hopes up and crossed them off our short list immediately. Of course if they had done that then I wouldn't be here bitching about it either.
#191 of 437 Start Up Noise
Dec 15, 2011 (11:31 am)
I test drove a Mazda 3 Skyactive and when I started it with a cold motor (outside temp was 50 here in CA) and there was a lot of noise coming from the engine for the first 30 seconds or so and then it stopped and ran normally. Dealer said this is normal with the Skyactiv. Anyone else notice this? What is that noise? It does raise my concerns about buying this model with the first year of this engine. Thanks
#192 of 437 Re: Start Up Noise [ajfinoak]
Dec 15, 2011 (11:58 am)
I think it may be the direct injection. I've read in several forums that cars with DI are noisy, almost like a diesel, on start up and then quiet down very quickly like you said. That said, it would make me wonder too.
Dec 15, 2011 (12:22 pm)
I am with Shippo on the manual tranny issue. Mazda looks just like everybody else if they limit the manual availability. What happened to zoom-zoom. The manual is EPA certified, just put the options on - who does it hurt? Building the 3 stick in the higher trims will only mean more sales.
I have not driven the new 3 with the automatic, but I have never driven an automatic I liked and don't expect the 3 will change that. 3 pedals or no sale for me.
#194 of 437 Re: Start Up Noise [m6user]
Dec 15, 2011 (12:50 pm)
Hmmm, the DI engine in our GTI is plenty quiet when it starts up. Maybe VW uses extra sound deadening material.
#195 of 437 Re: Start Up Noise [shipo]
Dec 15, 2011 (7:10 pm)
Hmmm, it may not be every DI engine or manufacturer either. As I said, I have no first hand knowledge but have read on several forums that people notice the tapping upon start and it quickly quiets down and their dealers told them it was the direct injection and nothing to worry about. Hyundai Sonta I4 DI was one of them and people have commented in the GM forums as well re the DI engines. Some may be a lot better at masking it or in protecting occupants from hearing it.
#196 of 437 Re: Start Up Noise [m6user]
Dec 16, 2011 (12:51 pm)
I have an '08 Lexus IS 250 with DI and it does have a "ticking" all the time from the DI but is the same with a cold or warm engine. The Skyactiv was much louder at first upon cold start up- at first I thought there is definitely something wrong with this car.
#197 of 437 Re: Start Up Noise [ajfinoak]
Dec 16, 2011 (6:09 pm)
I guess it's possible that car may have had a problem. But consider that this engine has probably been tested for a year or more with probably hundreds of start ups in hot, cold and inbetween. So I have to assume it was supposed to be that way and is just particular to the engine.
#198 of 437 Skyactiv 6MT
Dec 17, 2011 (5:39 pm)
A dealer in my area got a few Skyactive MTs in so I took one for a drive. (Their stated policy is, "Welcome to take a drive even if you aren't buying"... God bless 'em!). Anyway, I will be buying, just not right away. Anyway, they just sold their last Skyactiv Touring MT hatch so I drove a Touring sedan.
I think I'm in love.
The shifter is great... short throws, crisp, smooth clutch takeup. And 6th gear is tall, e.g. revs were just a bit over 2000 at 65 mph. The ride was less jarring than I remember from driving Mazda3 rentals. Not sure why, since in winter the tar strips in roads are even more pronounced than in summer. Anyway, it was firm but not too harsh... not that much different from the Focus SE I drove and maybe a little smoother than the Impreza Limited (which had 17" wheels). And there is enough room in back for my teen-aged kids, for short trips at least. Leg room is comparable, again, to the Focus', and actually better than the Impreza's because there's more foot room under the seats. Not as good as the likes of the Elantra, but... it doesn't drive like an Elantra either. (To be fair, I haven't driven the 6MT Elantra... hard to find those on lots.)
The big disappointment for me is that the 3i Touring Skyactiv doesn't come in Velocity Red. There was a 3s on the showfloor in that color, and oh boy was it beautiful! I could probably live with Graphite/Sage (I prefer Sage over Black interior), but not nearly as great as that Velocity Red.
I have a feeling it will come down to the Mazda3i Touring 6MT hatch vs. the Impreza Premium 5MT hatch... although the MT on the Impreza will need to be pretty great to match the Mazda's. 2nd tier are the Focus SE hatch 5MT, Elantra GLS 6MT, and Cruze Eco 6MT (in that order). The other option, for less bucks, is the used route, e.g. a certified Golf or previous-gen Civic.
#199 of 437 Re: Skyactiv 6MT [backy]
Dec 18, 2011 (4:52 am)
you sure about that rear legroom? I test drove the 2012 Impreza Sport Limited recently and the back seat is limo-sized compared to the Focus and Mazda3.
Of course I'm a 6 footer and have to move the seat pretty far back. But I had to move it to the end of its travel in the Ford and Mazda, but there was still room to go back in the Subie, plus I could sit behind myself, which is SUPER rare in a compact.
You can tell that the Ford and Mazda models share some DNA going back a bit. Mazda's got a slightly better powertrain, but Ford did the styling a lot better. And I'm i complete agreement about the lack of Velocity Red. Heck, between that and the lack of a Skyactiv/AutoClimate combo has basically turned me off of the 3.