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Toyota Camry Hybrid, Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, Car Values, True Market Value (TMV), Sedan
#9 of 25 Re: Is there any problem with the Moonroof [pb01234567890]
Oct 19, 2011 (2:55 pm)
You need to check yourself for how the moonroof fits you and if you really are going to use it all the time. The comercial pictures of a long gone era where a girl pops out of the moonroof is not what the law will allow you when driving these days... not to mention the moonroof does not open fully to allow you to pop your head and body out of the car. This is not a convertible.
I like the driver's seat raised to the highest position and I am not very tall.. 6 feet. But the moonroof takes off the space available and your head will touch it slightly or bump into it when the car hits bumps on the road.
Other problems are leaks and possible extra weight that you really do not need unless you are sure you will use it more than one or two times. I don't like the sun shining on me when I open the moonroof in the summer, nor the rain and snow leaking into the car in the winter. The moonroof used to be a novelty many years ago, and that is why they decided to include such based on old market research I guess. But even Ford now allows in their 2012 (not 2011 ) Fusion model to have a "moonroof delete" option, realizing that people may not like it. I suggest you do a google to search for problems on past Camry moonroof options as well as moonroof issues in general and decide for yourself.
VW 2012 Passat TDI includes moonroof if you want the auto transmision - DSG.. so the best option was for me the XLE Hybrid to which you can add the Convinience package (good value for alarm, backup camera, and to open your garage for $800 or so) and the Entune (have to play with the toy.. though its quite high priced at $1K and will have bugs I am sure but...).
Go for the XLE hybrid if you want...
#10 of 25 Re: Is there any problem with the Moonroof [camryhybrid12]
Oct 19, 2011 (3:03 pm)
Thanks for your detailed response, this helps a lot!!!
#11 of 25 Re: Is there any problem with the Moonroof [pb01234567890]
Oct 19, 2011 (3:45 pm)
The XLE Hybrid will be out in Nov or so, if you can wait until then, I suggest you try it. Also check very carefully the features of the XLE Hybrid vs XLE non hybrid. The hybrid does not have the moonroof, but has other features the XLE does not come with at base (e.g. the air condition is different, humidity sensor with the hybrid, the base Hybrid features include features the non hybrid XLE needs the convineince package to get them etc).
After doing a lot of research, the XLE Hybrid is the best car with the two options I wanted most (entune and convinience) that has no moonroof.
You can check the moonroof fit for you, on a non hybrid also. You may need to ask the dealer to "preference" an allocation car he gets to have an XLE Hybrid without the moonroof (this is known as "special order" also though the options you specify must be within Camry ordering constrains and packages dependencies, e.g. you cannot get leather without the moonroof).
My dealer has perferenced an XLE Hybrid for me with above two option packages, should get it around 4-6 weeks from now, even with the colors I want.
To do a preference you must deal with the Dealership General Manager. I rank and file sales person most likely will not do it. So do not be shy, ask to speak with the general manager and explain what you want. Also good to contact with are the internet department sales persons. Check what allocations the dealership is expecting to get from the regional distributor and when. Camry cars are built with certain options that are different from region to region. To make a change, within the allowed option packages constrains, you need to ask the general manager to work with you on such and expect to wait 4-6 weeks. The includes not just the colors you like, but also the exlusion of the sunroof package. In my area (NY metro) the regional distributor has configured all XLE hybrid to have the moonroof package so only way to get it here is with a special order or preferencing which the General Manager can help you with. Note the "build your own" Toyota.com tool does not allow you all combinations including legal option packages, as it goes by the zip code region you enter - I have sent a comment on this to their customer relationship email. At least some people may go to buy a 2012 Ford Fusion without the moonroof because their tools and explanations are not clear... maybe in 2013 model they too will allow moonroof delete option like Ford.
#12 of 25 Camry 2012 vs Accord 2012
Oct 20, 2011 (12:38 pm)
How is this new Camry 2012 vs Honda Accord 2012.
I am looking for some opinions from the experts
#13 of 25 Re: Camry 2012 vs Accord 2012 [sedan2012]
Oct 20, 2011 (1:10 pm)
I would have to say the 2012 Camry is better in my view. The 2012 Accord is old generation. We will need to see what the 2013 next redesigned Accord looks like in a year from now, but if you buy now.. I think Camry is best. Now which trim and what options that depends on you. Have provided some thoughts you can read and do your own study and ask yourself what you really look to do and how much you can pay. The base L Camry is very fine for daily travel to / from work etc.
#15 of 25 Edmunds missed this fact.. dash board black
Oct 24, 2011 (10:17 am)
Hi,, Edmunds totally missed the fact that the Dash Boards in ALL camry's are now BLACK. l, le, se, xle. no matter what color interior you get.. DASH BOARD IS BLACK. How crazy is that.. I went in To buy an XLE this weekend and could not believe Toyota did that to most likely save money. No camry for me.. On to Honda or Nissan..
#16 of 25 Cosmetics vs. substance
Oct 24, 2011 (10:31 am)
If the most important feature for you is the color of the dashboard then you should buy a car based on this. To me it is fine and there are many other bright colors you can select for both interior and exterior.
The MT also went too much on cosmetics and appearance. Totally missed the features and certain key differences comparing the TDI SE trim with XLE hybrid fully loaded. Even with a 2012 Passat TDI SEL Premium, you wont get some of the features the XLE hybrid fully loaded gives you. I did a test drive for both 2012 Camry (not hybrid) XLE and Passat TDI SEL.. overall, the Camry is way better in most substance. Appearace and cosmetics is for some people to decide but its not so bad to prevent me buying the car unless all of it is black in and out (I wont buy such a car indeed).
#17 of 25 Any quote for 2012 Camry LE hybrid close to Ohio?
Nov 12, 2011 (9:48 pm)
While I think to buy 2012 Camry LE hybrid, not sure what price is a good deal.
#18 of 25 2012 Camry Hybrid LE
Nov 19, 2011 (8:53 am)
Got a quote for 25114 before taxes for 2012 Camry Hybrid LE. Any comments/advice/suggestions