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#87 of 96 Re: XTS [nvbanker]
Jun 06, 2013 (5:56 pm)
I think that XTS is a car for those who think a FWD is the only thing you can drive in the snow.
With traction control, ABS, and all the computer crap in cars that does everything for you, is RWD even that much of a hindrance anymore in bad weather?
We didn't have much of a winter here in the DC area, but I did get a chance to take my 2012 Ram out in some slick weather. Despite being RWD and having a light rear end and a lot of power, it was almost impossible to get that sucker to spin our. I'd imagine a RWD car, with better weight balance, would be even better.
#88 of 96 Re: XTS [andre1969]
Jun 06, 2013 (6:09 pm)
I drove in a couple snow events in my E55 - which had low profile tires, V8, RWD, the whole lot. Had no real issues, other than stopping and turning on hills.
#89 of 96 Re: XTS [fintail]
Jun 10, 2013 (3:42 pm)
Exactly right. Stopping in the snow & ice is a lot more difficult than getting going most of the time, 4WD or not. Because the 4WD doesn't stop much, if any better, than the 2WD.
#90 of 96 Re: XTS [nvbanker]
Jun 10, 2013 (4:09 pm)
My issue would be stopping on a hill in the snow and getting going again (the mental defectives around here randomly panic when the road is covered), or slowing down to turn and go uphill - the car just put out too much power. Only got stuck once though - I got out of it with cat litter.
#91 of 96 Re: XTS [fintail]
Jun 10, 2013 (5:22 pm)
I learned to drive in the Midwest. But when I lived in Georgia and it iced or snowed, I stayed off the road. Seemed like some of those drivers panicked and only knew two moves - punch the accelerator and slam on the brakes. BOOM!
#92 of 96 Re: XTS [berri]
Jun 12, 2013 (10:22 am)
So true. Also, I've noticed that a 4WD vehicle around here is probably more dangerous than a 2WD, because the inexperienced driver thinks a 4WD will navigate ANYTHING - like even a lake?
#93 of 96 Re: XTS [nvbanker]
Jun 12, 2013 (10:34 am)
Yep, basically the "smarter" the car gets, the dumber the driver seems to get. I even noticed this back in the late 90's, when one of my friends replaced an '82 Cutlass Supreme sedan with a '95 Grand Marquis. Well, one day he was out in the snow, and not far from my house, and he stopped to call from a gas station (those ancient days before cell phones!).
Well, he said the car was acting really funny, and wanted to know if he could come by and pick me up, and drive me around and see if I had an opinion on what it was. So, he came by, and we went out driving. What was going on was that he was hearing some grumbling sound, from the abs or traction control or whatever, trying to keep his butt from wiping out. He was driving that Grand Marquis a LOT faster in those slick conditions than he would have driven that old Cutlass.
Oh, and that ABS and traction control didn't keep him from getting that car stuck in my yard once. Come to think of it, he got his next car, an '04 Crown Vic, stuck in my yard as well when it was snowy/icy/ Now he has an '09 Grand Marquis, but he hasn't christened that one in my yard yet!
#94 of 96 Re: XTS [andre1969]
Jun 13, 2013 (5:46 am)
I only got my Grand Marquis stuck once following a heavy snowfall in a heavy snowbank at Montour and Magee in NE Philly. Fortunately, a woman was shoveling the snow off her sidewalk and I was able to borrow it to dig out my ride. Since then, I've kept a small snow shovel in my car during the winter.
#95 of 96 Re: XTS [lemko]
Jun 13, 2013 (6:12 am)
Thinking back, that time my buddy got his '95 Grand Marquis stuck in my yard, he ended up parking on the grass, rather than the driveway. At that time, I had temporarily de-tagged my '79 5th Ave, and was waiting for it to hit the age where it would qualify for historic plates, which are a lot cheaper. The 5th Ave was sitting in the yard, but on the grass, on a slight downhill slope. My friend ended up parking behind it, and with the snow on the ground, I guess he didn't realize that he was off the driveway. Because of the slight hill, he couldn't get traction to get it moving. So, I had to move the 5th Ave (miracle I didn't get it stuck, itself, with its bald tires on back ) and he drove forward, and got enough momentum to swing around and make it back up the hill.
With the '04 Crown Vic, I think he was parked in the driveway, but there was fresh snow on the ground, and he managed to get stuck.
I've gotten my '85 Silverado stuck in the driveway once or twice when it's icy. But with something that old, no posi-traction, and a light rear-end, you almost expect it from that.
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Jul 15, 2013 (2:02 pm)
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