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#47 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [steve_]
Sep 21, 2011 (5:08 am)
I think it is kind of relative to talk about BMW or any other vehicle that is built in the USA. I got to debating some of Rocky's friends on Facebook. They are anti anything but UAW built. They would rather have US buy a car with 40% US content assembled by UAW factory, than a Toyota, Honda or BMW with much higher US content. It is that mentality that makes me want to steer clear of anything UAW built. They have in their minds that UAW members are more deserving of a job, than say a VW worker in TN. They have the misguided thinking that in this global society, all the money GM makes stays within our borders. After several days of beating my head against the wall I opted out. It was 4-5 totally Rah Rah UAW supporters against superior logic. Of course when I pointed out the Secretary of Labor had just bought an Equinox built in Canada they all went into overload.
Obama Labor Boss Buys Canadian-Built Car
I personally feel my 85% US content Sequoia built in Princeton Indiana is helping more US workers than buying an Equinox built in Canada.
#48 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [gagrice]
Sep 21, 2011 (5:14 am)
They have in their minds that UAW members are more deserving of a job, than say a VW worker in TN.
yeah, I have issues with that line of thought too.
#49 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [gagrice]
Sep 21, 2011 (7:38 am)
In 2009, a Sequoia was 80% N.A. content. You say 85%. Did it go up since then, or is that 'whoops'?
I prefer when most all American cars were built here, but competition has changed that, sadly (IMO). Your Sequoia IMO is definitely better than having been built in Japan, but Toyota is still clearly a Japanese company, as evidenced by Toyota of America's president's 'deer in the headlights' look when asked about recall policies...he completely deferred to Mr. Toyoda and said decisions came from the motherland.
This board is so full of absolutes. Not all Toyotas are made here, and not all Detroit brands are made in Mexico or Canada. My preference is an American company which builds in America using a high NA parts content. It is possible to find such a product.
#50 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [uplanderguy]
Sep 21, 2011 (7:43 am)
Again, gotta say, the one BMW I was familiar with (5-series) needed a new engine at 86K miles.
OK, that's one data point. One BMW, one engine. I've owned nine and never had an engine failure.
Now when someone says their (fill in the blank domestic) needed an engine at 86K miles, there are ten posts of derision afterwards.
Not from me. That said, if you are talking about a number of failures -all with the same engine and failure mode- that's a different issue entirely.
Is it all about driving enjoyment on a European car?
That's why I've driven BMWs almost exclusively since 1983- but if they were unreliable or expensive to run I would look elsewhere. Life is too short to drive boring cars.
There's the lack of applies-to-apples here.
You mean like when a FWD mass-market economy car is compared to a BMW? With a straight face?
#51 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [roadburner]
Sep 21, 2011 (7:46 am)
That's one out of one I knew about...100%--same as guys here say their one (fill-in-the-blank) was crappy.
#52 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [uplanderguy]
Sep 21, 2011 (8:06 am)
In 2009, a Sequoia was 80% N.A. content.
Mine is a 2007 which it was my understanding contained 85%. Which can be deceptive as they include Canada, because it is also America, along with Mexico. So your guess is as good as mine as to the actual US content.
#53 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [uplanderguy]
Sep 21, 2011 (8:40 am)
Aren't we supposed to forgive the old failures of carmakers? That was an instance of like what, a 20 year old car?
Engine failing at 86K can easily be an owner issue over a car issue.
#54 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [fintail]
Sep 21, 2011 (8:56 am)
Religious oil changes at the dealer...the owners are friends of mine.
I guess the thing that is so exhausting for me on this forum is (and I know, if it's so exhausting, why continue to post? Good point.) is that all kinds of excuses are made for foreign lapses of quality, yet with the domestics it's always like "Aha! Told ya so!".
I think I'll hang around the old car forums a bit more.
#55 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [uplanderguy]
Sep 21, 2011 (9:05 am)
Bought new, all records from birth? We are sure the dealer replaced the oil pain drain plug or the owner didn't put coolant in the oil filler?
At 86K there is likely an extenuating circumstance no matter the origin of the engine, unless it is a known defect like Honda transmissions or GM Dexcool or Ford head gaskets etc. I am not aware of any BMW of that era having a rep for a high rate of failure at that mileage.
#56 of 85 Re: GM UAW Contract [fintail]
Sep 21, 2011 (9:07 am)
Yep, bought new at Dave Walter BMW in Akron, OH.