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#31 of 43 CALL TO ARMS!!! (Airbag major safety issue still no accountability)
Mar 19, 2013 (8:41 pm)
___MUST_READ_____If you fear the safety of your family and/or passenger as well as yourself please take a few minutes and read my post and then hopefully you will utilize the link I'm providing along with this information.
I'm posting this in hopes that we as parents, as citizens, As Americans will stand together and demand that something be done about this safety issue that Toyota for some reason has not been held accountable for. A widespread safety problem with which we have entrusted ourselves and our families' safety with.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), should've long ago demanded this issue be resolved at the satisfaction of any reasonable 2006 Toyota Sienna owner. The NHTSA has this listed on their website which tells me that someone up there is doing their best NOT to do their job. Just read this that I will now COPY and PASTE directly from their website at https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
"Report Your Safety Complaint Form Approved: O.M.B. No. 2127-0008"
"Why your complaint is important
Your complaint information will be entered into NHTSA-ODI's vehicle owner's complaint database and used with other complaints to determine if a safety-related defect trend exists. More...
If a safety-related defect exists in a motor vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment, the manufacturer must provide a remedy at no cost to the owner. Your complaint is the first step in the process.
We do not have to receive a specific number of complaints before we look into a problem. We gather all available information on a problem. Your complaint is important to us."
So please just take the time to submit the proper complaint and lets try to get some real results. Here is that link again. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
#32 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [ausnbri]
Mar 22, 2013 (1:28 pm)
If unplugging just resets the system, then can't one do it using the OBD diag. tool or by disconnecting the battery? I agree this is a temporary fix for 2006 airbag issues, but many times if you unplug the connector, the warning sign goes away do not come back for 1000's of miles.
Now, if all of us register a complaint with National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, as popimpexpress pointed out, there is a good chance that the dirty Toyota corp will issue a recall. I had called Toyota and they said they have issued a TSB (Tech. service bullettin). So Toyota is aware of this issue, but not willing to issue a recall.
Let all of us please register a complaint regarding the airbag issue and see how this would help us. Please take 10 minutes of your time and file a complaint.
Thanks a lot!
#33 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [potat]
Apr 27, 2013 (2:40 pm)
Excellent advice, popimpexpress. The SRS light on my 2006 Toyota Sienna came on yesterday. Vehicle only has 52,500 miles. I took it down to the dealer to see if it was covered by Toyota. Trouble code was B0111. I am out of the warranty period. Initial estimate for the labor alone was $1600. So I am guessing it will easily be over 2,500 OTD.
I still registered a complaint. What do I have to lose? Hopefully, Toyota will issue a recall to fix this problem.
#34 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [rainman16]
Apr 27, 2013 (6:33 pm)
Thanks, rainman for registering a complaint! Good job. I hope more and more people register their complaints so that the issue is taken up more seriously!!
#35 of 43 Re: CALL TO ARMS!!! (Airbag major safety issue still no accountability) [popimpexpress]
Apr 27, 2013 (7:39 pm)
Excellent advice and information. I have done my duty per your advice.
I now have another warning light(s) issue with these lemon cars, but not too surprising.
#36 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [potat]
Apr 28, 2013 (11:28 am)
Let me ask this. It seems that people have reset the SRS light. What are the affects of doing this? Doesn't that just "hide" the fact that there something still may be wrong with the SRS? Right now, the Toyota mechanic told me that the airbag has been disenabled. I am afraid that it may deploy accidentally as I am driving.
I got an automated email reply from National Highway Traffic Safety Administration when I submitted my problem. Can I expect to hear back from them?
Thanks in advance.
#37 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [rainman16]
Apr 28, 2013 (12:40 pm)
I understand your concern. I would say that after you reattach the connector and the warning light does not turn off or comes back on shortly, you likely do have some kind of issue that will require a visit to a dealer.
Why Toyota engineers put the SRS system cables right under the pull out tray on the passenger side where it gets bumped is hard to fathom. I don't use that tray anymore.
The NHTS Administration email is all you're going to hear from them. Enough complaints of the same nature and hopefully they will initiate a formal inquiry.
#38 of 43 Sienna airbags need recall
Jun 21, 2013 (5:43 pm)
Here is my story. My 2006 Sienna airbags intermittently and unpredictably become non-functional. That is, the warning light goes on and off at unpredictable intervals. I am told by the dealer service representatives that the airbags are non-functional (i.e., system shut down) when the warning light is flashing. This is a severe safety concern to me for the sake of my family. It is galling since the airbag system was a major selling point of the car. Attempted repairs by dealer on August 4, 2009 under warranty replaced the airbag assembly on one side but did not fix the problem of repeated intermittent failure. After the vehicle was out of warranty, Toyota refused to address their failed attempts at repair, and I was quoted well over $2,000 to fix the problem as per Toyota service bulletin T-SB-1062-10 on July 20, 2011. This proposed repair apparently included replacing the previously replaced airbag as well as the assembly on the other side. I delayed the repair at risk to family on account of the extreme cost. Also, I appealed to Toyota corporate representatives since the problem had been a persistent and unremedied one since during the warranty period. Recently, the Toyota dealer informed me that a new Toyota service bulletin isolates the defect somewhat from previous Toyota T-SB-1062-10 and reduces the cost of the repair to somewhere near $400 (although I paid $47.50 to learn that). But after that recent service by Toyota on June 20, 2013, the warning light is off again, and the airbags are presumably functioning again for a while. This intermittency has been the problem with getting this defective airbag system fixed under warranty as it should be. Also, the intermittent and repeated failure of the units suggests a faulty design and a safety defect that should be addressed in all of the vehicles. I have seen similar airbag concerns of other 2006 Sienna owners on various online bulletin boards. I did file a complaint at DOT, but I know how effective that will be ...
#39 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [rainman16]
Jun 24, 2013 (7:02 am)
Just missed your query. Once you are resetting the SRS airbab (which in most cases is a connection issue - at least per the discussion), it goes back. In general, if it doesn't come back after 200 miles or so, it is fixed (Similar to waiting for a few drive cycles to complete after resetting).
I do not know whether airbag deploys just when you are driving. Don't be scared of toyota dealers/reps who scare you. And in this context, how come Toyota has reduced the cost of the repair to ~ $400 for Toyota T-SB-1062-10 (See recent post by sinenna_owner_1), more likely they have come accross this discussion thread and trying this out themselves!!
Sure this is a serious safety issue and we will have to wait for any action from NHTSA - which depends on the number of complaints/accidents/reports etc.
Again, if you know a sienna owner who has similar issues, just ask them to file a complaint.....
#40 of 43 Re: Toyota Sienna 2006 airbag light easy fix for me [potat]
Jun 28, 2013 (6:20 pm)
A few comments, FWIW:
1) Per your previous question, B0111 is not a code that the average person can readout or reset thru the OBD port. In most cases, all you can access with a generic reader is the P0xxx drivetrain codes. ABS, SRS, body ECU, etc., are not part of the generic OBD standard and thus require TechStream or other enhanced readers.
2) While removing the negative battery cable will wipe out codes, it's not something you will want to do unless you need to, as it also wipes out other essential learning that can impact driveability. There is a whole other set of TSB's related to what to address if removing a terminal results in a van that will not idle right, or even start. You should, however, disconnect the battery and wait a few moments before fussing with any airbag circuits. There is a residual power supply (capacitors) to ensure that the airbags still deploy in the event of a power cut in an accident.
3) B0111 indicates an open circuit (bad wire, bad connector) in the airbag squib (sensing and firing) circuit. The factory service manual includes this line when troubleshooting:
After selecting the check mode, perform the simulation method by wiggling each connector of the airbag system or driving the vehicle on a city or rough road.
So apparently someone at Toyota gets it that this might be something very simple, and replacing EVERYTHING shouldn't be the first course of action.