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#69 of 494 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [bwia]
Jun 29, 2012 (8:19 am)
The sales slide as the model gets stale. It happens to a lot of makes/models.
2000 (Gen 2) had its best years early in the run. 04 was a very light year knowing Gen 3 was coming and was a huge difference (including an all new engine, the 2GR V6).
The current Avalon basically dates back to 05 and IMHO is very long in the tooth (while still being a damn fine car).
If Toyota was serious about keeping a large floaty car in the lineup they would have brought a heavily refreshed version around 2 years ago. If it were me I would have brought the DI version of the 3.5 (from the IS/GS 350) and changed up the looks while keeping the size and ride.
They unfortunately are trying to please everyone and are playing the hybrid game and making it too close to the Camry. I don't know how they plan on selling it. It already overlapped with the ES350 in terms of price, now that it's smaller what's the point? The main reason I bought my Avalons over an ES was the fact it was roomier.
All this is a moot point anyway, as again IMHO the photos we have seen show the new Avalon to be butt ugly with a face only a mother could love.
#70 of 494 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [bwia]
Jun 29, 2012 (8:20 am)
Numbers don't lie, but they can be a bit deceiving.
- The Economy?
- High Gas Prices?
- Lower Used Car Prices?
- Increased pushing of Camry
- New exciting models from the competition?
- Folks keeping their cars longer?
- Leasing Options?
- Other car sales for same periods?
I see A LOT more Avalon's on the road in the last year, then I use to see. Are all 28,000 being sold on the East Coast?
All interesting questions.
Will the New Avalon sell more / better É YES! Will it be enough to turn it around?
They can't make sweeping changes next year, as this is a pretty big change and new body changes aren't cheap or practical to make the next model year.
#71 of 494 Re: I Jumped Ship [ncee]
Jun 30, 2012 (7:40 am)
The short answer is that the S60 meets our needs and I wanted something a little different. We wanted a car that is smaller than thr Avy, but did not want to sacrifice, comfort, ride, fuel economy. The front seats in the S60 are very comfortable. Plenty of power and I'll get around 30 MPG on the highway on regular gas. Also, while we both have outstanding driving records, I'm the first to admit that at 62 my vision/hearing/reflexes aren't what they used to be, so I appreciate the numerous safety features the Volvo has. The LaCrosse is a very nice car, but those thick A pillars were a deal breaker. The ES350 is also a great car, but I see them all over the place here. I've always felt that European cars were more expensive to maintain than American or Japanese, but Volvo has free maintenance and covers repairs, including brakes, for 5 yrs/50K miles. The dealership also offers free loaners for the life of the car. The service dept. is also more "upscale" than any Toyota dealership in my area. So all of this factored in.
#72 of 494 Re: I Jumped Ship [jeffm5]
Jun 30, 2012 (12:58 pm)
Sounds like all great reasons to me.
I had considered Volvo's some time back, and then got hooked on Toyota's (plus the dealer buy's a TON of promotional / marketing stuff from us), and because of that, I went with Toyota's. So far, glad we did. 3 Avalons, 3 Camrys, a 4 Runner, and 2 Tercels, later, no problems with any of these.
I'm hoping the new Avalon grows on me.
Enjoy the Volvo.
#74 of 494 Re: 2013 Avalon NEW Grill [ncee]
Jul 07, 2012 (2:44 pm)
This calls to mind the question: "If a glass is half filled with water, is it half full or half empty?" We all choose one response, or the other, depending on our personal thoughts.... except the IT guy in the office who responds, "The glass is too big..."
Thanks for posting the links.....
#75 of 494 Re: 2013 Avalon NEW Grill [ncee]
Jul 08, 2012 (4:33 am)
Let's face it, as much as I and countless others try to warm up to the front end design that the so called design experts at Toyota in Michigan and California have come up with, I cannot warm up to the 2013 Avalon terrible front end design execution. It is extremely offensive! It is terrible design execution! Do the people with decision making abilities at Toyota have the cahoonas to admit they are wrong, that they screwed up in accepting this poor excuse of contemporary line design on paper that looks so ugly in real form, or will they let their egos ruin an otherwise good looking car go down the tubes and make a lot of people extremely unhappy, and not buy their product? You guys at Toyota, I thought one of your main goals is to sell product, right? Well how do you expect to do that with such a polarizing, offensive, ugly front end? Don't you guys at Toyota have any common sense...at all? Yes, initially I thought the design was cool, but I made a mistake and am willing to admit it. Aren't you?
#77 of 494 Re: 2013 Avalon NEW Grill [ncee]
Jul 16, 2012 (8:55 am)
Ok.. so the largemouth bass caught a minnow... It still doesn't work.
#78 of 494 Re: 2013 Avalon NEW Grill [fin]
Jul 16, 2012 (8:56 am)
Works better É I think.
Also figuring Toyota isn't going to change the grill for the 2013 model, I just want to convince myself it's better:)