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#583 of 716 CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews
Jul 13, 2013 (11:29 am)
Consumer Reports damming statement: " Hybrids and lower-trim V6 models have 17-inch wheels that noticeably take off the edge and make the ride less harsh. Sadly, they still don't restore it to traditional Avalon standards. Most $25,000 midsized sedans ride better" is not holding up in the user reviews on their website which now has 28 2013 Avalon reviews (far more than any other 2013 Toyota). Most of the user reviews do not criticize the hybrids ride and the ones that do are for the most part for V6 limited. I thought that one of the latest reviews might be closer to the truth on the TAH and other models with 17 inch wheels:
The car rides and handles quite well. As a previous Avalon owner (2008) there was
concern about the ride, especially given CR's review. However, the ride is fine
and the concerns are, IMHO, overblow"
How many people here tested the Camry hybrid before buying the Avalon hybrid and thought that the Camry had a better ride? CR rated the Camry's ride as superior to the Avalon's.
#584 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [havec]
Jul 13, 2013 (11:44 am)
Quite well, maybe, but NOT as nice as earlier model Avalons … IMHO
I've had 4 Avalons in the past few years (A new 2008, that I traded (with 68,000 miles after 15 months) for a New 2010, that I traded (with 45,000 miles after 11 months) for a New 2013, that I traded (with 3700 miles in 30 days) for a New 2012.
I traded the 2013 because it was louder, and much less comfortable. Even though I put mostly highway miles on (35,000+ a year), it was to loud on the highway, and when I was on rougher roads, it was way to uncomfortable for my liking.
I REALLY wanted the 2013 to be a wonderful car, and in many ways it is, just not in the ways I needed it to be.
- LESS Comfortable
- Smaller back seat
- Smaller trunk opening
- No reclining back seat (my passengers REALLY like this feature)
- Smaller or different interior space / feel.
- Tech Package
- Quiet Wipers
- Fit, Finish and trim (for the most part).
- Looks of the car, is Great!
#585 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [ncee]
Jul 13, 2013 (12:19 pm)
I'm guessing that was a 2013 V6 Limited with 18 inch wheels that you traded in for the 2012?
#586 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [ncee]
Jul 13, 2013 (3:00 pm)
Yours may well be the most heavily publicized personal change of car models in modern American history. Again and again and yet again, in this forum and in the Toyota Nation Avalon forum, and probably elsewhere, you have made the same points over and over. We know why you switched, we accept your reasons but maybe you should consider giving it a rest and moving on.
For others who might be interested, let me say that my 2013 Avalon Limited V6, with Michelin Primacy MXM4 225/45R18 tires is a tremendous car. I love the taut, controlled ride, the responsive handling and the smooth impressive power. The fit and finish are extraordinarily good, even compared with my previous Lexus LS430 and ES300. As I have posted before, for those who find the ride a bit stiff, dropping the tire pressure from 33 PSI to 31 PSI can make a significant difference.
Jul 14, 2013 (12:46 am)
I'm about to buy my 5th Avalon. I've had a '96xle, an '05, 08 and and an 11 limited. So far the 2011 has been my favorite. I plan on retiring in a few years and this 2013 will probably be the last car I buy.
It has the tech package because I really missed the dynamic cruise control. Color is crimson mica.
Jul 14, 2013 (5:03 am)
I thought about the limited with the Tech Package but like yourself I am retired and bought the Touring model instead. The more gizmos the car has the more things that can be problematical. Like you being 73 this could easily be my last car and electrical problems are the leading source of problems as vehicles age so I went with the basic features I decided I really needed. If I go first there will be less for the little lady to deal with as the car ages and she hates giving up a car as long as looks good and drives OK. We kept a Lexus we owned for 10years and she still thinks I was crazy to get rid of it. Sometimes I think it is that attitude that has saved me from being traded in. After 47yrs of marriage I am starting to malfunction and require a lot more repairs and maintenance!
#589 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [robnich]
Jul 14, 2013 (7:54 pm)
Completely different car but test drove today Accord Coupe and it absorbs small bumps much better. Overall I thought suspension is better.
Also in curves I don't feel like sliding off the seat. I'm fine with sporty suspension but seats don't seem to quite support it.
But will do another test drive with hybrid with smaller 17" and see how that compares since I still prefer finding good hybrid first.
I wish there would be a model or options in-between XLE touring and limited. The jump of 4K is bit big and don't need all those options.
Also noticed another poor small overlap test for Toyota with RAV4. So not sure Avalon would do much better but at least it got bit more airbags maybe...
#590 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [lucien4]
Jul 14, 2013 (8:39 pm)
As long as you're at the Toyota Dealer, could you test drive the Avalon hybrid and the Camry hybrid back to back? Make sure you drive them both over some bumpy roads with lots of surface imperfections and let us know which one you think has the best road isolation. FWIW Consumer Reports rates the Camry as having a better ride. The overall scores for the Camry hybrid was 93 and the Avalon Limited hybrid was 86. The 2013 Honda Accord's score was 90.
#591 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [havec]
Jul 15, 2013 (9:34 am)
I don't take CR score literally (e.g. Tesla got 99 points even though they listed several issues). But overall their written assessment is typically fairly close what I'd experience. But you can't score a car really for everyone since priorities differ on individual preferences.
I had the Camry non-hybrid as a rental car for 2 weeks. It absorbs bumps more cushioned but still more body lean than I like and not enough feedback. Hybrid might be different but probably not much. This is what CR says:
"The ride is subdued, and the suspension feels more tied down and better controlled than previous Camrys. Bumps are soaked up well with impressive isolation."
I'd prefer the Avalon suspension but personal preference. Except I don't want to feel small vibrations so will do test drive this week with Avalon hybrid to see how it compares.
I'm not considering the Camry since the cost cutting is too evident to me. The Avalon has much better interior quality and more interesting exterior design. CR probably rated it also higher since it's better value (with slightly higher FE and better acceleration).
#592 of 716 Re: CR TAH Review and Owners Reviews [lucien4]
Jul 15, 2013 (5:00 pm)
I agree with what you say about CR's ratings. I've been a long time reader and believe that they are the one only true unbiased source for product information as they buy everything they test off the shelf and have SOPs in place for product testing. However, Iím a little pissed off at them for 2 reasons. First, when I asked them if they were going to be test driving an Avlalon hybrid they emailed me back and said that they were not planning on testing the car any time soon. Right when I was signing the deal on my TAH the "first drive" came out saying that they were alarmed by the bumps being transmitted into the cabin by the V6 18 inch wheel Limited model. I bought the car anyway mostly because of how much I liked how it drove, the interior and all the technology. Later, after reading their full test in which they said that most $25K sedans ride better I became hyper sensitized to the ride quality. So I'm mad at them for making me so aware of every bump and crevice in the road and lying to me.
However, going forward I don't think there are too many alternatives that can beat this car outside of maybe the Lexus hybrid version. I did drive a Camry hybrid several months before purchasing the TAH Limited and I wasnít overly impressed at the time with the overall feel of the vehicle. It just seemed run of the mill not like the Avalon hybrid which allowed for rationalizing a whole bunch of extras not offered on the Camry. Also, if youíre going pay serious money for a new vehicle you have to keep it for at least 10 years and that means that it has to be future proof. Which means that it better get at least 30 mpg combined under worst case driving. I was driving an older Lexus RX300 which got 17 mpg. Now Iím averaging 33.9 (3180 miles/93.9 gallons). I would have bought a Lexus 450H SUV but the gas mileage wasnít there and I was tired of driving a SUV plus probably another 10K fully equipped. On smooth roads the TAH hybrid excels and you canít beat the technology packages especially the adaptive cruise control. And, the car is fun to drive, something I donít think you can say about then Camry.
Iím hoping that the TAHís road isolation will improve some when I replace the Bridgstones with Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires. Maybe, that is something you can insist on if and when you buy your TAH. Good luck with your test drive and let us know what you think.