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#59 of 572 Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry by ushy66

Jun 27, 2012 (9:32 pm)

To get a better idea on what the guts and performance of the 2013 Avalon hybrid will be (until a good review article does come out), we can check out the info/reviews already out there on the 2013 Lexus 300h and the 2012 Camry hybrid, both of which the hybrid Avalon is based, having identical or nearly identical hybrid drive trains. The following articles should further help in that regard:
 
1.) More info on 2013 hybrid Avalon from Automobile magazine:
     http://rumors.automobilemag.com/toyota-unveils-powertrains-for-2013-avalon-v-6-a- nd-hybrid-options-available-150073.html
 
2.) 2013 Lexus ES 300h Car and Driver review article:
    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-lexus-es300h-hybrid-first-drive-review
 
3.) And 2012 Camry hybrid Car and Driver review article:
     http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-toyota-camry-hybrid-test-review
 
In my opinion, these three hybrids will all perform about the the same, but the advantages as I see them are as follows:
1) Camry hybrid in XLE trim is a really nice car, and will be the least expensive of the three, and has a fairly decent front-end/grill design;
2) Avalon hybrid will be a little more roomy and comfortable than Camry, but will cost a couple grand more, but will have the most generous room in the rear seat compared to the other two;
3) ES 300h will be most plush, and has a better grill design than the Avalon (unless Toyota surprises us and changes it for the final version; let's hope, but not hold our breath), but will cost a few grand more than the Avalon.
 
What do you all think?
 
Jake

#60 of 572 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [ushy66] by bwia

Jun 28, 2012 (4:13 am)

Replying to: ushy66 (Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm)
The newly introduced 2012 Australian version of the Toyota Avalon is called the Aurion. http://www.toyota.com.au/aurion.
 
If only Toyota would use that grill on the Avalon it would have a perfect car with the looks of a supermodel. Perhaps if we write to Toyota and suggest the Aurion grill they might listen. So start writing.

#61 of 572 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [ushy66] by ncee

Jun 28, 2012 (4:17 am)

Replying to: ushy66 (Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm)
I for one, won't be (likely) getting this version.
 
1) You have to drive better / different / more carefully to get high mileage
2) It will cost more then you might recoup in a reasonable time period
3) The cost in general
4) Repair cost(s) down the road (although I trade ever year or so, so it won't likely concern me)
5) - Add on here your thoughts
 
I'd like to see the web site show the color options for both interior and exterior (I want to pick out my color combo:))
 
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#62 of 572 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [bwia] by ncee

Jun 28, 2012 (4:36 am)

Replying to: bwia (Jun 28, 2012 4:13 am)
Agreed, but then again, I'd rather have seen an older LS grill / front end then this current one.
 
And I for one, wanted the car to be a bit bigger (making the comparisons to camry a bit harder)
 
No one, not even me, wants to be buying a glorified camry, when purchasing an avalon.
 
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#63 of 572 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [bwia] by fin

Jun 28, 2012 (9:18 pm)

Replying to: bwia (Jun 28, 2012 4:13 am)
Nice looking car, thanks for the link and post... Why did we get this front end and the Aussie's get the LS460 look? This is rediculous..... it's a beauty down under, for us it's.....something else. What were they thinking? Maybe we will get the other front end the second year, if slow sales don't kill off the line completely. And, as I have posted before, the ONLY thing that keeps the Avalon in production is the fact it is not expensive to make along side the Camry. It's just a little more gravy on the mashed potatos... any other way, the car would have been history long ago, trust me..

#64 of 572 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [ncee] by tjc78

Jun 29, 2012 (5:21 am)

Replying to: ncee (Jun 28, 2012 4:36 am)
No one, not even me, wants to be buying a glorified camry, when purchasing an avalon.
 
Well some would argue that the Avalon was always a glorified Camry. IMHO there was always enough differences (especially size) that it was worth it. Heck, I've owned two of them and loved them both. This new model is doing nothing for me, what a shame.

#65 of 572 2013 Avalon É Aurion by ncee

Jun 29, 2012 (6:07 am)

And another nice feature of the Aurion, is the 60/40 split rear seat, although the interior on the New Avalon looks better then the Aurion to me.
 
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#66 of 572 I Jumped Ship by jeffm5

Jun 29, 2012 (7:14 am)

Having owned a 98 Avy XLS and, currently, an 05 Avy Limited, I was so looking forward to the 2013 Avy as a replacement for my 05, which has been the best car I have ever owned. Sorry guys, but my wife and I just can't get past that front grill. Considered a Taurus, LaCrosse, CTS, ES350, Acura TL, VW CC, Azera. Ended up with a loaded 2013 Volvo S60 T5, which was not even on my radar 3 months ago. I take delivery next month. Believe me, I'll be sad and my wife will be in tears when we hand over our Avy remotes.

#67 of 572 Re: I Jumped Ship [jeffm5] by ncee

Jun 29, 2012 (7:22 am)

Replying to: jeffm5 (Jun 29, 2012 7:14 am)
And with all the other options you listed, how did the Volvo end up the winner?
 
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#68 of 572 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [fin] by bwia

Jun 29, 2012 (8:28 am)

Replying to: fin (Jun 28, 2012 9:18 pm)
And, as I have posted before, the ONLY thing that keeps the Avalon in production is the fact it is not expensive to make along side the Camry.
 
The 2013 Avalon needs to be a winner to reverse the sales slide of the past dozen years. The hideous grill certainly won't help matters as expressed by many in this forum. Here are the sales data for Version 2.0 and 3.0 respectively:
 
2000---104,078
2001-- -83,005
2002--- 69,029
2003--- 50,911
2004--- 36,460
2005--- 95,318
2006---88,938
2007-- -72,945
2008--- 42,790
2009--- 26,935
2010--- 28,390
2011--- 28,925
 
Source: http://www.answers.com/topic/toyota-avalon#ixzz1zC69Tc5r

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