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#55 of 491 Re: 2013 Hybrid Coming [fin] by ushy66

Jun 26, 2012 (9:50 am)

Replying to: fin (Jun 25, 2012 9:21 pm)
Yep. Looks like Toyota may be staying with the unpopular grill design. Additional 2013 Hybrid Avalon info posted here at Autoblog.com:
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/26/toyota-avalon-gets-40-mpg-hybrid-model-for-20- 13/.
 
If you go there, click on press release.
 
 Since the main difference between the Camry Hybrid (TCH) and the Avalon Hybrid (TAH) will be the slightly larger Avalon, it will be interesting to see what the pricing differential will be. If the price differential for the TAH vs non-hybrid Avalon is large (like the price disparity between the fully loaded non-hybrid Highlander LTD and the hybrid Highlander LTD, ~$7-9K), the choice will be easy--->TCH will get most of the sales, or the non-hybrid Avalon will be the big choice, in spite of the unattractive front-end design.
 
Jake

#56 of 491 Re: 2013 Hybrid Coming [ushy66] by p0tatoe

Jun 26, 2012 (6:29 pm)

Replying to: ushy66 (Jun 26, 2012 9:50 am)
Thanks for telling us to click on press release! Unless I missed it, even the press releas doesn't say wat the hybrid's transmission is. A quick look at Edmunds sys the 2012 Camry hybrid has a CVT. I've never owned a CVT, and Im not sure I want to.
 
Also, Edmunds says the
2012 Camry XLE V/6 starts at $30,115
2012 Camry XLE Hybrid starts at $27,500
 
So, does that tell us the Avalon hybrid will cost less than the V/6? Several thousand less?! Then yes, I agree, hybrids will sell more.
 
I like the looks of the new Avalon, grille and all. But, if they're making it smaller and trying to be sportier with it, then it becomes more like every other car. For the money, I'd rather have a Lexus ES, etc.

#57 of 491 Re: 2013 Hybrid Coming [p0tatoe] by fin

Jun 26, 2012 (8:18 pm)

Replying to: p0tatoe (Jun 26, 2012 6:29 pm)
About the CVT... my kid put 65k highway miles on a 2009 Nissan Altima 4 cyl w/CVT and it worked fine. Hard to get the feel of a CVT at first, it just keeps revving and nothing seems to happen but you get there just fine. And passing was not a problem so my kid bought another one, a 2012. Do not fear a Toyota CVT, they should be as good as Nissan......

#58 of 491 Re: 2013 Hybrid Coming [fin] by p0tatoe

Jun 26, 2012 (8:39 pm)

Replying to: fin (Jun 26, 2012 8:18 pm)
Thanks and yes, it's probably just fear. CVT is an excellent idea, just feels weird.
 
Fiat says their 500 is EPA rated 30 city/ 38 hwy. The Avalon hybrid is supposed to be 40/39 right?
 
Looks like Toyota's going to deliver on the "better mileage than a Fiat 500" promise.

#59 of 491 Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry by ushy66

Jun 27, 2012 (9:32 pm)

To get a better idea on what the guts and performance of the 2013 Avalon hybrid will be (until a good review article does come out), we can check out the info/reviews already out there on the 2013 Lexus 300h and the 2012 Camry hybrid, both of which the hybrid Avalon is based, having identical or nearly identical hybrid drive trains. The following articles should further help in that regard:
 
1.) More info on 2013 hybrid Avalon from Automobile magazine:
     http://rumors.automobilemag.com/toyota-unveils-powertrains-for-2013-avalon-v-6-a- nd-hybrid-options-available-150073.html
 
2.) 2013 Lexus ES 300h Car and Driver review article:
    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-lexus-es300h-hybrid-first-drive-review
 
3.) And 2012 Camry hybrid Car and Driver review article:
     http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-toyota-camry-hybrid-test-review
 
In my opinion, these three hybrids will all perform about the the same, but the advantages as I see them are as follows:
1) Camry hybrid in XLE trim is a really nice car, and will be the least expensive of the three, and has a fairly decent front-end/grill design;
2) Avalon hybrid will be a little more roomy and comfortable than Camry, but will cost a couple grand more, but will have the most generous room in the rear seat compared to the other two;
3) ES 300h will be most plush, and has a better grill design than the Avalon (unless Toyota surprises us and changes it for the final version; let's hope, but not hold our breath), but will cost a few grand more than the Avalon.
 
What do you all think?
 
Jake

#60 of 491 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [ushy66] by bwia

Jun 28, 2012 (4:13 am)

Replying to: ushy66 (Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm)
The newly introduced 2012 Australian version of the Toyota Avalon is called the Aurion. http://www.toyota.com.au/aurion.
 
If only Toyota would use that grill on the Avalon it would have a perfect car with the looks of a supermodel. Perhaps if we write to Toyota and suggest the Aurion grill they might listen. So start writing.

#61 of 491 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [ushy66] by ncee

Jun 28, 2012 (4:17 am)

Replying to: ushy66 (Jun 27, 2012 9:32 pm)
I for one, won't be (likely) getting this version.
 
1) You have to drive better / different / more carefully to get high mileage
2) It will cost more then you might recoup in a reasonable time period
3) The cost in general
4) Repair cost(s) down the road (although I trade ever year or so, so it won't likely concern me)
5) - Add on here your thoughts
 
I'd like to see the web site show the color options for both interior and exterior (I want to pick out my color combo:))
 
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#62 of 491 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [bwia] by ncee

Jun 28, 2012 (4:36 am)

Replying to: bwia (Jun 28, 2012 4:13 am)
Agreed, but then again, I'd rather have seen an older LS grill / front end then this current one.
 
And I for one, wanted the car to be a bit bigger (making the comparisons to camry a bit harder)
 
No one, not even me, wants to be buying a glorified camry, when purchasing an avalon.
 
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#63 of 491 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [bwia] by fin

Jun 28, 2012 (9:18 pm)

Replying to: bwia (Jun 28, 2012 4:13 am)
Nice looking car, thanks for the link and post... Why did we get this front end and the Aussie's get the LS460 look? This is rediculous..... it's a beauty down under, for us it's.....something else. What were they thinking? Maybe we will get the other front end the second year, if slow sales don't kill off the line completely. And, as I have posted before, the ONLY thing that keeps the Avalon in production is the fact it is not expensive to make along side the Camry. It's just a little more gravy on the mashed potatos... any other way, the car would have been history long ago, trust me..

#64 of 491 Re: Toyotas Mid-sized hybrids: 2013 Avalon, 2013 Lexus ES 300h, 2012 Camry [ncee] by tjc78

Jun 29, 2012 (5:21 am)

Replying to: ncee (Jun 28, 2012 4:36 am)
No one, not even me, wants to be buying a glorified camry, when purchasing an avalon.
 
Well some would argue that the Avalon was always a glorified Camry. IMHO there was always enough differences (especially size) that it was worth it. Heck, I've owned two of them and loved them both. This new model is doing nothing for me, what a shame.

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