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#519 of 716 Re: Avalon Hybrid Verses Camry Hybrid [nvbanker]
Jun 01, 2013 (4:15 am)
Well CR has it right, IF you drive the car on varying types of roads É IMO
I had the 2013 for 3700 miles and while I was hoping / and had my fingers crossed that the noise and comfort would be better with time, that never happened.
I took the hit, and traded for a 2012, and have never looked back. Yes the 2012 has had a few issues, but none with the ride quality. And as for noise, while the 2013 may have been a bit quieter, if it was, it was just a bit, but comfort, and size in the back seat and truck make up for it.
I had driven the 2013 on many long stretches of smooth highways, and yes under those conditions the car was smooth (But damn, shouldn't have been?). BUT as smooth as it was, it was VERY loud (tire noise), and then when I got on bumpy roads, well then it all came to be.
It was much less comfortable then, and that included the seats, which my wife HATED.
Look, on so many levels, the new avalon is a wonderful car. And to think a few changes would have made a world of difference to so many others.
- Make it the same size as the earlier models
- Make it a Luxury Sedan i.e.
¥ Reclining Rear Seats
¥ Same spacious trunk (opening)
- Make a "Sports" model, for that other market they are trying to reach. Those folks WOULD have purchased the car, and the others, myself included, could have had their Luxury Sedan (Boat)
This is my 4th Avalon (of more then 36 cars over the years), so I feel like I can say these things with some bases of knowledge. I drive 35,000+ miles a year, and comfort, quiet, tech, luxury for me are important. In my opinion, they shouldn't have messed with the Avalon, they should have brought back the Cecilia for those looking for a Sports car, or again, just simply made a Sports Model for those looking for a sports model.
Toyota says this ISN'T in fact a Premium Luxury Sports Sedan, and that it IS a Premium Luxury Sedan? (with Sports Paddle Shifters, Sports Suspension, Sportier Seats, Low Profile Tires, Sports Mode Option)??? And then there are those Avalons they brought to SEMA?
Just make take on it É great day to unload, sorry
#520 of 716 Re: Avalon Hybrid Verses Camry Hybrid [ncee]
Jun 01, 2013 (10:02 am)
In my opinion, they shouldn't have messed with the Avalon
Toyota may disagree with this assessment as sales of the new Avalon has increased exponentially (see below) over the Generation 3 model. Too bad older folks will have to turn to Buick or Cadillac for the ride that they covet. Frankly I think it is a good thing.
Avalon Sales Data
2012 Vs 2013
#521 of 716 Re: Avalon Hybrid Verses Camry Hybrid [bwia]
Jun 01, 2013 (12:07 pm)
Sales really had nowhere to go but up. The 2012 was 7 model years old.
NCEE, at one time Toyota did have a Touring version of the Avalon that had a stiffer suspension.
#522 of 716 Re: 17" vs 18" tires [daveinva]
Jun 01, 2013 (5:07 pm)
I just this week bought a 2013 Toyota Avalon Touring model. I wished that I had read your review first!. I too, like everything about the Toyota Touring model. I like the look of the 18" wheels, I wanted the nav/entune, etc....which is not available on the Premium model so I went with the Touring model. I have had the car 5 days and I am very disappointed in the ride of these crappy tires. Two questions: Have you gone ahead and gotten the Michelin tires yet and if so, how do they ride compared to the Bridgestones (question open for anyone that has traded out these tires) and two: Is it possible to switch out to a 17" wheel and tire with a 55 or greater profile on the Touring model should I decide I can't stand the current situation? I am thinking of switching out to the Michelin 18" first and if it still is not satisfactory, going down to the 17" wheels. I am assuming the suspension and the brake size would be standard on all the models and no different from the premium to the touring models.
#523 of 716 Excellent Video Critique and Review of 2013 Avy vs ES
Jun 01, 2013 (9:02 pm)
#524 of 716 Re: Excellent Video Critique and Review of 2013 Avy vs ES [ushy66]
Jun 02, 2013 (10:47 am)
Should be no problem in changing from 18" wheel and low profile tires to a 17" standard profile tire and wheels as the net OD is virtually the same. Same can be said for the break rotors and basic suspension components. You might want to investigate the possibility of keeping the 18"s and just go to a 55 aspect ratio tire. it would make your speedo a little slow due the the slightly taller tie but we are talking a small error here of maybe a couple MPH average. Naturally it would offer much of the advantages of the 17" wheel and tires with out the expense of wheel replacement not to mention the look factor. You can also go down a couple of pounds on your air pressure (31 psi cold vs 33psi cold) it has been my experience that the tire low pressure warning light tolerates a 5psi drop before activation. That was the case on my 2009 Camry Hybrid.
#525 of 716 Avalon Wheel & Tire size
Jun 02, 2013 (11:15 am)
Thanks for the reply. I am hoping that I can just "get used to" the bumpy ride in the new suspension and tire size. We'll see. If not, I wanted to know what my options were. I like everything else about the car. I think Toyota blew the interior out of the roof this time around and I like the options I got on the Touring model, otherwise, I would have gone with the less expensive Premium. I really had no idea that the 18 inch low profile tires would cause this much difference between my 2006 Avalon and the new 2013 ride. I just liked the cool look of the tires. LOL still learning at 51. What can I say? haha. I don't mind a little stiffer suspension and I can understand that Toyota is trying to grab a younger demographic...just wished they hadn't gone that far with it or at least offered an option on the wheel and tire size for the different trim levels. So far, love the car, otherwise and will deal with the tire issue. I looked at other cars for several months before buying and I kept coming back to the Avalon. It was just a good value for the money. Thanks again!.
#526 of 716 Re: Avalon Wheel & Tire size [teresa01]
Jun 02, 2013 (12:37 pm)
Before you go to the expense and trouble of changing wheels and/or tires, try dropping the tire pressures from 33 psi to 31 psi, as mentioned by an earlier poster. This does make a significant difference. After you drop the pressure, reset the Tire Pressure Monitoring System as outlined in the owners' manual.
Also note that after ranting online about the harsh ride with 18" wheels, Consumer Reports ended up in the print edition this month giving both the V6 (18") and the Hybrid (17") Avalons the same open circle (average) rating in the Ride category. One would have expected at least a half-black circle for the V6 after reading the rant online.
#527 of 716 Re: Excellent Video Critique and Review of 2013 Avy vs ES [poorthingflint]
Jun 02, 2013 (8:52 pm)
I've been considering going to 215 60R 17's from the stock 215 55R 17's. An online tire calculator gives:
15/55-17 to 215/60-17 Difference
Diameter inches (mm) 26.31 (668.3) 27.16 (689.8) 0.85 (21.5) 3.2%
Width inches (mm) 8.46 (215) 8.46 (215) 0 (0) 0%
Circum. inches (mm) 82.66 (2099.53) 85.32 (2167.07) 2.66 (67.54) 3.2%
Sidewall Height inches (mm) 4.66 (118.25) 5.08 (129) 0.42 (10.75) 9.1%
Revolutions per mile (km) 766.53 (476.3) 742.64 (461.45) -23.89 (-14.85) -3.1%
Changing the 18 inch wheels from stock 45's to 55's
225/45-18 to 225/55-18 Difference
Diameter inches (mm) 25.97 (659.7) 27.74 (704.7) 1.77 (45) 6.8%
Width inches (mm) 8.86 (225) 8.86 (225) 0 (0) 0%
Circum. inches (mm) 81.59 (2072.51) 87.16 (2213.88) 5.57 (141.37) 6.8%
Sidewall Height inches (mm) 3.99 (101.25) 4.87 (123.75) 0.89 (22.5) 22.2%
Revolutions per mile (km) 776.52 (482.51) 726.93 (451.69) -49.59 (-30.81) -6.4%
The diameter of the stock 17 and 18 inch wheels only differs by:
225/45-18 to 215/55-17 Difference
Diameter inches (mm) 25.97 (659.7) 26.31 (668.3) 0.34 (8.6) 1.3%
Width inches (mm) 8.86 (225) 8.46 (215) -0.39 (-10) -4.4%
Circum. inches (mm) 81.59 (2072.51) 82.66 (2099.53) 1.06 (27.02) 1.3%
Sidewall Height inches (mm) 3.99 (101.25) 4.66 (118.25) 0.67 (17) 16.8%
Revolutions per mile (km) 776.52 (482.51) 766.53 (476.3) -9.99 (-6.21) -1.3%
I'm guessing that the 18 inch 55 series tires might be a little tight in the wheel wells.
My local tire dealer said not change the AR of the 17's from 55 to 60 only because you couldn't get the same performance rating in the 60 series.
I'm still considering it both for the added cushioning and the added road clearance if I can find a really good handling and riding 215 60 17 tire.
#528 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [havec]
Jun 03, 2013 (8:53 am)
That said, I know my TAH isn't going to beat too many cars in noise level going up the steep hill to my house.
And that's exactly what I'm saying.
Still, with all that said, the Camry is decidedly quieter than any Honda Accord model, especially from Road Noise.