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#493 of 716 Same Tire Problem With Camry Hybrid
May 22, 2013 (12:42 pm)
I just read an owners review on CR's website where a Camry Hybrid owner said that his car rode like sh*t with the factory installed Bridgestone Turanza EL400, size P215/55R17 tires. He put on top of the line Michelin's after 500 miles and reported "HUGE improvement"
In the 19th (most by far of any 2013 Toyota) CR owner's Avalon review an owner said he had the 18 inch wheels switched out by Toyota to 17 inch with little or no improvement.
I wonder if the 17's had the Bridgestones. Why would Toyota be so stupid to run these tires? Usually they run soft riding tires that don't last out of the factory. Maybe they are more concerened about fuel economy than ride.
#494 of 716 Re: 2013 avalon ride has changed... [acco20]
May 22, 2013 (1:34 pm)
Sold my loaded 2009 Camry Hybrid and bought a 2013 Avalon Touring sedan. Ride softness,the Camry has the edge(both cars riding on Michelin's). Seats softer on the Camry personal taste some people like a soft bed some like firm. Avalon quiter and better fit and finish. Avalon has more room especialy in back seat. Over all handling is noticeably better on the Avalon. Would I make the same buying decision again? Yep.
#495 of 716 Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?)
May 26, 2013 (3:58 pm)
CR kind of panned the avalon for the ride. I was thinking of buying one either hybrid limited or v6 limited.
Can anybody advise on the following:
1. Is consumer reports telling the truth about the ride? - It's hard to test drive on rough road and I would value somebody's opinion who's got some miles under their belt.
2. How noisy is the 4 cylinder on the highway if it's a hybrid?
#496 of 716 Re: Avalon Limited Audio System [rjohanson]
May 26, 2013 (4:06 pm)
This may be heresy to a classical music listener but I assume you're not driving around with a record player and have gone digital.
Have you considered altering your playback settings if you're using an ipod type device. I know my ipod (classic) offers various equalizer settings and you can possibly fix your problem on the input side using these.
You might have to use an auxillary jack for this as your USB input will just try and read the file and would ignore any ipod equalizer settings.
#497 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [malcolm9]
May 26, 2013 (4:23 pm)
Yep, CR is correct. In fact I think they were too generous in their comments about the ride. I would grade the ride as an "F". Everything else about the car gets an "A".
The ride is so rough every couple of hundred miles I have to close the sun roof shade. It gradually opens on its own from all the jostling.
#498 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [malcolm9]
May 26, 2013 (5:34 pm)
I came from a Lexus CT200h an I think the ride is very good.
The hybrid 4 cylinder is smooth, powerful and very quiet at all times. I hear no engine noise at highway speed.
#499 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [malcolm9]
May 26, 2013 (10:02 pm)
I've had my Avalon Limited Hybrid for going on 3 months now. The ride only deteriorates on some types of rough road and has gotten significantly better with 31 psi in the tires as opposed to way above the recommended 33 psi when I took possession of the car. The Camry Hybrid rides on the same wheels and tires as the Avalon and somehow get's rated by CR as having a better ride. I think CR, as others have said, is reacting to the some what radical departure from the older Avalon's couch on wheels ride. The new Avalon at least doesn't get rated as poor by CR in emergency handling as did the earlier car they tested. There has also been quite a bit said on how lousy the stock Bridgestone tires are and how the ride improves with Michelin tires and I will find out after I put enough miles on to warrant changing tires. Maybe, if there isn't too much of a penalty in handling and other problems one could put on a set of 60 series tires for a softer ride and gain a 1/2 inch of road clearance something the car could use also?
#500 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [malcolm9]
May 27, 2013 (7:07 am)
I own a Touring 3.5 V6 with 18" Michelin's. When properly inflated to 33psi cold the ride is firm and well controlled but does exhibit some harshness when impacting very large road patches and pot holes. It reminds me a little of my daughters last Volvo in this respect. Frankly,I think the ride is so quiet,smooth and controlled normally I think there is a surprise element that magnifies impacts effect. My last car was a 2009 loaded Camry Hybrid and frankly I do not miss it very much overall. The sounds and performance of a 4 cylinder engine is crude compared to the smooth,refined performance of a V-6. Being retired now I only drive 10-12,000 miles a year so this cars 25-26mpg mixed and 32-33MPG highway is fine for me. To be fair I am sure some improvements have been made to the Hybrid system but I suspect it is still is little crude overall compared to a V6 especially under full throttle passing maneuvers. Overall performance wise there no comparison. For the record I did drive the Avalon Touring Hybrid.
#501 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [trespinosranch]
May 27, 2013 (12:31 pm)
Might I be so bold as to inquire do you actualy own a 2013 Avalon and if so which tire your car has? If you do not actualy own the car and just did a roadtest you might want to give the car another chance and be sure you check the tire air pressure as in the vast majority of time the tires will have 39-40lbs of air in them. If that was the case and the car also has Bridgestones on them "F" would be a reasonable grade. I drove my first Avalon in this configuration and to be kind it rode like a hay wagon. Read about the tire selections and over inflation problems and returned for a second roadtest with tire gauge in hand and selected a Touring model with Mitchlins and it drove like a different car as you can imagine. Bought the car. My only area I am not totaly satisfied with are the seats they are a little firm for long distance comfort for my old bottom but they do seem to be breaking in a little and we may reach a accord. If not that's what they make seat cushings for. Keep in mind I am 73yrs old and not the primary customer they are looking for.
#502 of 716 Re: Avalon 2013 ride (CR reports?) [malcolm9]
May 27, 2013 (12:43 pm)
1) Having owned an '11 Avalon, then drove the Camry Hybrid and Avalon Hybrid (and prius or two...) back to back on a very long loop that included 70+, rough and smooth roads, I cannot honestly see how they thought the Camry rides better. As discussed by me and others, I sincerely wonder if CR did not truly objectively evaluate the ride on the Avalon, or actually subscribed the ICE 18" ride to all Avalons (the TAH rides on 17s...). It is a MUCH tighter ride than the '12 and earlier models and you do feel a little more of the road; however, IMHO you feel much more in command and in control at limit in the '13 than I ever did in the '11 that we put 40k+ on. Neither my wife nor I felt that the Camry road better at all and, in actuality, felt it rode worse! It is certainly subjective, tho, and I would see if you could get one to drive on a long loop like we did before purchasing. Also, I noticed a difference between the Micks and the Stones, so I'd certainly go with the Michelin's if you can.
2) Not that noisy at all on the hybrid. Under EXTREME loads, you can tell it is working hard(er) as compared to the V6; however, nothing as to intrude at all. Remember that the electric motor kicks in to assist in these situations so the load on the ICE is not what it is on a similar sedan with just a conventional ICE...which I agree can get quite angry-noisy! Overall, the TAH is the quietest car I've been in.
Again, I'd encourage you to see if the dealer will give you a car for more than a brief test ride. Also, ask, as many dealer sales people know a road/route that might be exactly what you are looking for to test this....sometimes they won't offer unless you ask.
Good luck in your vehicle hunt!