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#426 of 491 Motortrend Article
Mar 09, 2013 (7:32 am)
There's a report in the April issue of Motortrend comparing the new Avalon Limited with a Maxima and Azera. The Avalon won top honors just ahead of the Maxima. Their main complaint with the Avy is hard seats front and back and a harsh ride, which we keep hearing on this board.
The thing that caught my eye was the price as tested figure - Just short of $43,000.00 WOW!! Now granted this was a loaded Avy with the Tech package. But, just to compare numbers, I bought a loaded 2013 Volvo S60 (FWD) with a Tech package this summer. The MSRP was over $1,000.00 less.
BTW, I had a 1998 and a 2005 Avalon, which were great cars, so I'm not a Toyota or Avy basher.
#427 of 491 Re: Motortrend Article [jeffm5]
Mar 09, 2013 (7:36 am)
CORRECTION - The Avalon nosed out the Azera, not the Maxima in the above mentioned Motortrend report. Sorry!!
#428 of 491 Re: Motortrend Article [jeffm5]
Mar 09, 2013 (9:52 am)
In a previous test Motortrend compared the 2012 Azera, carried over to 2013 with no changes, to the 2013 Lexus ES and they gave the nod to the Azera.
I went and checked out a new Azera again yesterday. I'm more impressed each time I see it. The sticking point for me is the rake of the windshield. If that was a little less raked I'd have already bought one.
#429 of 491 Re: 17" vs 18" tires [douglas1]
Mar 10, 2013 (3:44 pm)
I just managed to do another test ride in a 2013 XLE Premium with the 17" wheels fitted with the Bridgestone EL400 tires (P215-55R17). I agree that I did not find much ride difference between that Avalon and my Touring model with the 18" wheels fitted with the Bridgestone EL400 tires (P225-45R18), particularly after adjusting the tire pressure on my 18 inchers to the recommended 33 PSI. Thus, I conclude that with the Bridgestone's on both the 18" and 17" Avalon wheels, there is not much improvement in the ride based just on the wheel size.
HOWEVER, as I indicated in my earlier post, I also test drove a 2013 XLE Premium with 17" wheels fitted with Michelin Primacy MXV4 tires (P215-55R17). There is a world of difference in the ride between the Michelin's and the Bridgestones. The Michelins are much quieter at highway speeds, and they absorb the bumps and expansion joint vibrations very well. In fact, I also went out for a drive in my neighbors 2011 Avalon Limited (3rd generation suspension system) fitted with 17" wheels with the Bridgestone EL400's. I thought that the 2013 Avalon with the Michelins rode just as well as the 2011, with the bonus of improved handling due to the new suspension in the 4th generation model.
When my EL400's wear out, I'll put Michelin Primacy MXM4's on my 18" wheels. The Primacy MXV4's are not made in the 18" size, but the Primacy MXM4's (which are available in the P225-45R18 size) are pretty close in performance. Unfortunately, as I am now only driving around 6000 miles per year, even with the short life of the EL400's, I'm looking at 2-3 years before replacement (unless I decide to bite the bullet and switch them out sooner).
Be careful when looking at Michelin's though, as their tire naming scheme is a little confusing. The Primacy's are all-season touring tires, whereas the other product lines such as the Energy, Pilot and Defender are different designs with different ride characteristics, and probably will not soften the ride of the 2013 Avalon as much as the Primacy's.
#430 of 491 Re: 17" vs 18" tires [daveinva]
Mar 10, 2013 (4:34 pm)
Thanks Dave, very insightful analysis. Apparently all Touring and Limited models come with the Bridgestone's which is unfortunate. I'd like something that rides similar to my 2011 Limited, not floaty but not as harsh as the new Avalon's I've test drove.
I wonder how the Michelin Primacy MXV4 would do on my 2011 with regard to quietness and ride.
How do you find the seats? My first and test drive impression is that they are very hard and not too comfortable.
#431 of 491 Re: 17" vs 18" tires [douglas1]
Mar 10, 2013 (7:28 pm)
If you replace the Bridgestone EL400's on your '11 Avalon with Michelin Primacy MXV4's you should expect to see a better ride with respect to confort and noise. Funny, my neighbor also has a 2nd Avalon, a 2004 I think, and those came with Michelin MXV4 Primacys. I looked at his '11 with the EL400's with 20k miles on them, and theose tires are almost ready for replacement, but the Michelins on the '04 are still in service.
In the past, more manufacturers provided better OEM tires. My '99 Acura TL3.2 came with Michelins on them, which lasted around 80k miles. I replaced them with another set of Michelins, and I got another 75-80K on that set as well.
If you really want to check tire reviews out, go to the Tirerack.com website and look at the 1000's of reviews of the Michelins, Bridgestones and other brands.
#432 of 491 Re: 17" vs 18" tires [daveinva]
Mar 10, 2013 (10:13 pm)
Dave, thanks again. You are correct about the 05 Avalon, mine had Michelin's as well and were barely worn when I treaded it in, at 19,000 miles, on my 2011 Limited.
How do you find the seats, they seemed very hard and uncomfortable to me on test drives.
#433 of 491 Re: Keeping 2011 Avalon [douglas1]
Mar 10, 2013 (11:37 pm)
I have a 2011 Avalon with 32,700 miles a great car owned at least 8 toyota's and this Avalon puts all of them to shame. I love this car and wasn't impressed with the 2013 either it looks a lot smaller inside and the ride didn't impressed me like the 2011 Avalon I can honestly say I love this car. I did when we brought it and still do it's still a great ride.">
#434 of 491 Michelin Primacy vs. Michelin Energy
Mar 11, 2013 (5:06 pm)
I have Primacy MXV4 on my 2008 Avalon and Michelin Energy on my 2012. The Primacy are definitely quieter when moving slowly. At highway speed I don't hear a difference. I will replace the Energys with Primacy when the time comes.
#435 of 491 Re: Ordered a second Avalon for me. [trespinosranch]
Mar 12, 2013 (6:37 am)
My mistake. The sunshade is one step up or down. It's a nice addition, but one that we will not use much.
And, I always purchase Michelin tires when replacing non-Michelin OEM tires.
I would have preferred to have Michelin's on our Ltd's, but will be OK until the Bridgestone's wear down.
The only tires I buy are Michelin, and always see an improved ride/handling.