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#1170 of 1605 PZEV - now mandatory
Apr 26, 2012 (7:37 am)
PZEV has been made a "mandatory option" by Subaru in my home state - Indiana, and probably in every state. You can't buy an Impreza without it (I think the same is true for the Forester). PZEV costs $300.
The price is not a big deal for me, and ordinarily I'd be in favor of paying a little extra for an environmentally beneficial feature.
The problem is that unlike in California and other states that require PZEV, Subaru does not warranty the PZEV and related emissions hardware where I live. The price of the vehicle is the same, but the purchaser simply doesn't get the Subaru PZEV warranty. In California, PZEV is covered by a 15 year/150,000 mile Subaru warranty. In most other states, however, once the basic car warranty expires, the owner is on his/her own.
Do people have thoughts about this? I tend to keep my cars for a long time. Is the owner of a vehicle with non-warrantied PZEV likely to face major repair costs down the road?
#1171 of 1605 2012 Impreza Premium hatchback mpg update
Apr 26, 2012 (7:47 am)
5 weeks later and after the first 3000 mile oil change i'm getting 36-37mpg. Before the first oil change i was getting 34.5. I commute 60 miles one way, 45 on the highway and 15 on back roads. I drive between 65-70mph and coast downhill for the most part. No major complaints, but the indicator light for the airbag being off/on is an annoyance, as it seems out of place.
#1172 of 1605 Re: PZEV - now mandatory [alexofindy]
Apr 26, 2012 (9:10 am)
not sure that is correct.....its warrantied here in MD based on what I see in the warranty book...not sure where you are getting the CA numbers from based on this: Copied from SOA site based on years... it would seem the PZEV would fall under 2, 5 and 8 year warranty....
Year Unlimited Mileage
Replacement Parts And Accessories Limited Warranty
Year 24,000 Miles
Federal Specification Emissions Performance Warranty
Year 36,000 Miles
New Car Limited Warranty, Federal Specifications Emissions Defect Warranty
Year 60,000 Miles
Powertrain Limited Warranty
Year Unlimited Mileage
Rust Perforation Limited Warranty
Year 70,000 Miles
California Specifications Emissions Extended Defect Warranty
Year 80,000 Miles
Federal Specifications Emissions Extended Defect Warranty
Seat Belt Lifetime Limited Warranty
will have to look at the manual later for full details
#1173 of 1605 Re: Sprt Limited Non-Navi Radio Settings [hcalcat]
Apr 26, 2012 (10:12 am)
you are welcome. glad i could help someone out with a starting point.
i'm trying not to let the intermittent rattles and squeaks get to me, but i have better and worse days...
funny: it's both comforting and frustrating that others have the squeaks/rattles. comforting that it's normal in many ways and my expectations are probably unrealistic and need to relax more about the rattles , but also frustrating that in this area, the car has some consistent issues that plague a certain fraction of the cars. (i guess that's what we get for buying the first year in a new generation car...then again, i haven't heard of anyone here or on NASIOC pursuing these rattles with the dealer which means if uncomplained about or debugged on a large number of cars, these problems will persist for the 2013 owners)
#1174 of 1605 Re: Sprt Limited Non-Navi Radio Settings [dfong87]
Apr 26, 2012 (10:23 am)
That's how I feel about it too. If I don't insist on them being fixed, the problems will simply persist into future model years. So, given that the rattles, in general, have lessened in the five years since I first purchased a new Subaru, perhaps I have done my part. Then again, they are still a regular occurrence. *sigh*
I was very pleased with my Forester during the first 500 miles I owned it, but then the rattles started. By the time I made it home two days later at 2,200 miles, I was about ready to shoot that car. Thankfully, a day at the dealership had them all fixed and they have not returned (I'm at about 200 miles shy of 40,000 now). The only rattle I currently have is a lift-gate rattle, but it's a doosey!
#1175 of 1605 Re: PZEV - now mandatory [pao]
Apr 26, 2012 (10:24 am)
I'm pretty sure I'm correct about the PZEV warranty. The PZEV extended warranty is only provided in a handful of states, including California. The rest of us are required to purchase PZEV on the Impreza (it is no longer made without PZEV), but we don't get the warranty. From the downloadable Impreza brochure: "1 2012 Subaru Impreza 2.0 and Forester, Outback, Legacy 2.5 non-turbo models achieving a Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (PZEV) rating by the California Air Resources Board are available in all 50 states. Only those registered in California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont will be eligible for the 15 years/150,000 mile emission warranty."
I wrote a note to customer service at Subaru, and they confirmed that the extended 15 year/150,000 mile warranty on PZEV related components is not provided in states other than than those listed above.
It may be that some of the PZEV components are covered by the 8 year Federal emissions warranty, I don't know. But the far more extensive 15 year warranty won't apply.
Thus I am trying to guess how much of an expense maintaining PZEV will be as the years go by. I'm not really worried about whether or not the cars' emissions might creep up a bit (though I'd rather they didn't!), but I am worried about whether or not failures in various PZEV related parts including the numerous sensors and engine computer might cause more serious problems, that I would have to pay to repair myself.
I tend to hang on to cars for a long time.
#1176 of 1605 Re: PZEV - now mandatory [alexofindy]
Apr 26, 2012 (10:38 am)
Subaru designs the systems to last longer, so it can at least outlast the CA law. So if anything it's intentionally designed to be more durable.
#1177 of 1605 Re: PZEV - now mandatory [alexofindy]
Apr 26, 2012 (11:40 am)
... Only those registered in California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont will be eligible for the 15 years/150,000 mile emission warranty."
That list is out of date.
From wikipedia ...
States adopting the California standards include Arizona (2012 model year), Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia. Such states are frequently referred to as "CARB states" in automotive discussions because the regulations are defined by the California Air Resources Board.
My state has required PZEV for several years and it's not on Subaru's "extended" list.
My assumption is that the extend emissions warranty applies to any PZEV vehicle registered in one of the CARB states.
#1178 of 1605 VERY IMPORTANT concerning 2012 Impreza oil filter
Apr 26, 2012 (12:33 pm)
I just went to a Subaru dealer near work to get my first oil change yesterday- I get home and check the oil level - ONE INCH OVER full - if thats not bad enough, I look at the oil filter - didn't look like original. I went to the dealer this morning and he takes the car in right away - Works on it and states oil level has been corrected apologizes and shows me a Subaru Bulletin PB001133 that "HE" states says the two filter numbers are interchangeable - I look at it and say,YES, for the 2.5 Subaru Forester BUT the next paragraph states for 2012 Impreza you MUST USE part 15208AA160 or it wont function correctly - THATS SUBARU's words not mine. The dealer had put on part 15208AA130 which can ONLY be switched on the Forester NOT the IMPREZA.
Make sure, since its easy to see, that your oil filter is part 15208AA160 ( as listed in the manual) when you get an oil change - the dealer didn't even have the filter, he had to send out for it - I now have a loaner
#1179 of 1605 Re: VERY IMPORTANT concerning 2012 Impreza oil filter [rxman4]
Apr 27, 2012 (8:54 am)
strange, 1 inch higher is way more than the volume of the oil filter itself (which, should have been picked up at the dealer at servicing, as it would only take a few seconds to reach level). I'd bet the difference in the filters is a drainback check valve, which wouldn't matter in the Forester (filter pointed down) but would matter on the Impreza (filter pointed up).