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Subaru Impreza, Subaru, Sedan, Wagon
#1024 of 1605 Re: Impreza or Legacy [jth97381]
Apr 08, 2012 (3:34 pm)
I have already nailed down a good price for a legacy we really liked (before we started to seriously consider the Impreza sedan). For the 2012 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited with sunroof and Navigation I got a price of $26,600. Seemed alot better than many of the other quotes I had gotten. What is a good price for a similarly equiped Impreza?
again, markets vary. i think one can get one of the better deals where i am based what i have surveyed here. as i said, i paid $622 below invoice for the base car. also, from what i remember, the navi/sunroof package cost $1776.
from what i see on truecar.com, invoice is different depending on location, so it's wise to look it up for your locale. if i were buying in my area, i'd be seeking about 700 or so below invoice if i were including that option package since i know they are paying less than $1776 for those additions.
it is a bit unclear to me what the "true cost of the car" is as it seems the table someone posted elsewhere in the thread suggests there is a total of 4% holdback + some additional things the dealer can save...so even though i got nearly 3% off of invoice, i still think my dealer made about $300-400 on my car which to me was fair, especially since it involved a quick and painless negotiation process.
#1025 of 1605 Re: cvt engine brake causing lower mpg? [bobdole888]
Apr 08, 2012 (4:36 pm)
Here is the link to the E15 fact sheet. Alot of the stations in our area have already started the switch over to E15 from E10. Check your local stations and see it they are switching yet.
E15 Fact Sheet
#1026 of 1605 Very happy '12 Imp owner
Apr 08, 2012 (4:48 pm)
I've been posting on nasioc for awhile, but am seeing lots of good conversation here, so thought I'd contribute.
I've owned: 1988 Honda CRX, 1996 Eagle Talon AWD turbo, 2000 Outback, 2006 Audi A4 2.0T, and now my '12 Impreza Sport Limited with CVT. The Imp outhandles all the other cars, with a fairly stiff, well-damped suspension, with little roll. It's much better than the A4, which is acclaimed as a great-handling car. Brakes are excellent, but fade after 3 80-0 back-to-back stops. Not surprising!
Engine performance is *fine* for the class and weight of this car. There's more than enough for winning stoplight drags (1, so far!), and passing quickly on a 2-lane. I recorded 8.41 seconds 0-60, that's from the instant the tach needle jumped off of idle, till the speedo needle was exactly on 60 (which in my car is about 58.5). Add in a couple hundredths for that extra 1.5 mph, and subtract the same for the time the tach started to move, until the car started to move.
Note that that time is in flappy-paddle mode, which provides for much more power at the top of '1st gear'. Auto mode keeps the revs down until you are at 70+ mph. -That- time is 9.36 seconds... In manual mode, the engine proves to be very torquey at 2000 rpm, and 'gears' higher than 3 are way way too tall for spirited driving. On the hwy at 60-70, top 'gear' is just barely able to accelerate at all. Not at all surprising considering that 6250 rpm in top gear would generate 193 MPH. That's one hundred NINETY three.
Driving more gently than most people are capable of will have the CVT upshift to top ratio at 30-35 mph, and it does this very aggressively, which kills accel, and is annoying. Giving a bit more throttle will keep that upshift away thru 40, where the engine is a bit more capable of pulling. This is the ONLY negative I have with the CVT.
The CVT is *perfect* for hilly terrain, downshifting imperceptively to provide all the power any hill could require. I have not noticed the speed-holding downshifts that some report on downhills, probably becuase my commute keeps the tranny in eco-mode, not sport. (Those aren't selectable settings, just references to an article I found online discussing CVT shift stratagies for current CVT's).
Steering feel is fine, not as perfect as a 1000 lb car with rack&pinion... The fly-by-wire throttle pedal is too sensitive. Ride is a bit stiffer than I'd prefer, rebound damping a bit lighter. MUCH better than the rock-hard A4, much stiffer then the Outback.
I'm getting 32.5 mpg on my 40 mile commute, 40% city/60% hwy. I expect this to go up another 2 mpg once the weather is 70+ degrees in the AM. I thing the 10? quarts of oil in the CVT really drag down the MPG, as winter mileage changes drastically as the engine fully warms up.
The CVT whines a bit when cold, and at a specific rpm when warm (around 40 mph for my car). It's always in the background, but not noticable after a few days of driving. The body transmits alot of road and wind noise. The doors and trunk lid are *very* light... No sound absorption?
The interior is BIG, long & wide. The trunk/hatch area is small as a result. I find the interior controls to be fine, especially compared to the Audi's infuriating climate control. I *don't* like that the wiper controls rotate backwards to what I expect, but am adapting to them...
Road tracking is mostly fine, but I will attempt to move all four wheels to a more toed-in setting. The car moves a bit more in responce to wind than I would like, with the rear tires noticably toed-out...
#1027 of 1605 Graphs and such...
Apr 08, 2012 (5:01 pm)
Estimated HP during 0-60 runs in manual mode vs. CVT auto mode:
Estimated HP by timing acceleration:
Observed MPG at 30-60 MPH every 5 MPH: (25 MPH = 37 MPG)
#1028 of 1605 Re: Very happy '12 Imp owner [skid0]
Apr 08, 2012 (9:47 pm)
Thanks for all the great info in your posts!
I'm really surprised that mpg is that sensitive to speed.
I was hoping that 40+ mpg would be possible at freeway speeds.
You data says to get 40+ mpg, you have to keep your speed low.
For the Torque plot, why isn't the peak at 4200? At least that's what where Subaru specified as where peak torque would be.
Are you using a OBDII scanner to do 0-60 test, and the HP/torque output data?
#1029 of 1605 Re: Very happy '12 Imp owner [bobdole888]
Apr 08, 2012 (9:47 pm)
I agree. Great info.
I too wonder about mpgs at highway speed. My brief driving this weekend of 60-65 mph ( still breaking my car in) suggests over 40 is possible at those speeds. I have no way of logging things to get a glimpse at a real trip but Im sure I'll have the opportunity to test that theory in the months ahead.
I'm 240 miles into my car and averaging 31.5 mpg on the computer with probably a 60/40 highway/city mix.
#1030 of 1605 Re: Impreza or Legacy [jth97381]
Apr 08, 2012 (10:14 pm)
Given what you said about usage, I think you cannot go wrong with the new 2013 Subaru Legacy (as advised by tyguy) - this especially since you do not need the hatchback's space.
Here is the link to a recent review...
#1031 of 1605 Re: cvt engine brake causing lower mpg? [odie6l]
Apr 08, 2012 (10:37 pm)
Ugh on the E15. The owners manual actually suggests tat 10% should be Max for the car to operate properly.
#1032 of 1605 Re: Impreza or Legacy [wimchatta]
Apr 08, 2012 (10:48 pm)
The 2013 Legacy looks amazing. But we decided to drive by a car lot today and just look at the two side by side. We like both and we decided to run some preliminary numbers on payments and gas useage. For as much miles as we put on we figure we spend $565/mo now on gas. The Legacy would get us to $355 and the Impreza would be $300. That is all based on $4.00 gallon gas. My wife drives 90% of the time by herself and the extra space may not be as important as we first thought so we think the Impreza may be a better car for us. I still want to make sure the car is powerful enough to pull hills at highway speeds. Any thoughts on this? After hearing everyone on this forum so enthusiastic about their Impreza it makes me feel better about moving forward.
All the more info the better.
Thanks for the input.
#1033 of 1605 About to roll 10K
Apr 09, 2012 (7:05 am)
Limited HB, PZEV in MD outside DC here......had the car since 17 Dec and will roll over 10K probably on Thrus of this week....just short of 4 months ownership.....no complaints on the car...its has been a true road warrior on a 103 mile roundtrip commute each day.....MPG averaging close to 31 a tank now.....getting about 110 to 115 miles per quarter tank now....
commute is approx 25 miles at hwy spd of 70-75 and 20 miles of two lane road at 50-60 MPH with a 5 miles of city driving averaging a few stoplights and 35-45 MPH. Hwy driving is some rolling hills and curves......
very pleased with the car in the drive, feel comfort etc....since Im in the car approx 2 plus hours each day for the commute...running either Shell or Sunoco gas...