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#25 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [printerman1]
Feb 02, 2012 (9:54 am)
Manufacturer's are doing EVERYTHING possible to improve FE, taking long looks at WEIGHT. Transaxle sump volume minimized results in less ATF volume/weight/cost. When ATF is COLD there is not enough volume to support full functionality.
DO NOT OVERFILL...!
Overfilling will result in FROTHING of the ATF due to gearset partial immersion in ATF.
Try letting the engine idle for a few minutes before driving away and see if the functionality improves. If it does then you can tell the (st,d)ealer what the problem is.
#26 of 86 frothing in the tranny
Feb 02, 2012 (11:13 am)
we do...we warm the engine for 2-3 minutes, or longer, depending on how cold it was. There is a problem with the tranny, a shaft. plus a gasket. This is NOT uncommon. Edmonds calls it, gear hunting.
There should be no reason to fill the tranny that has only 40Km, and being an oil based fluid, it does take awhile to warm and therefore volume increases once the warmth.
#27 of 86 Re: frothing in the tranny [printerman1]
Feb 02, 2012 (12:41 pm)
"..There should be no reason..."
You haven't dealt with very many beancounters....
If a partial ATF fill at the factory will be satisfactory for 98% of the buyers...
Even if not the above you could make a SURE bet that factory fills are NEVER above the minimum "required", "+" tolerances are NOT allowed.
#28 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [printerman1]
Feb 03, 2012 (5:34 am)
So I left the car overnight at the dealership and then went the next morning to drive it for them. They told me that they see what I'm saying about the shifting but that 1) other peoples are much worse 2) it's not "bad enough" for them to try to fix 3) that if I really drive it hard it won't do it as bad. Unfortunately, there are speed limits where I live....
I have a 2011 model as a rental car and loved it. This 2012 model is HORRIBLE.
#29 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [mccomajl]
Feb 03, 2012 (8:39 am)
The Transaxle ATF pump, like the power steering pump, is a rather serious factor in the loss of overall efficiency regarding the need to improve FE. So far, unlike the PS pump, no adequate and/or inexpensive solution is as yet available.
So for the moment the interim solution for improving FE is to reduce the displacement volume of the ATF pressure pump while also reducing, in real time, the pressure "head" against which the pump must work.
While reducing the displacement will most definitely yield a return in improved FE, there is an obvious shortcoming....
In order to provide enough pressurized fluid in all cases the engine must operate, more consistently operate, at a higher RPM than otherwise would be the case.
You need to be something of a "lead foot".
So what the dealer was advising you was true, not to "bust" the speed limit but to accelerate up to that limit more aggressively. The transaxle will remain in the lower gear ratios for longer periods of time, ergo, consistently higher engine RPM.
Porsche is now using an electronically controlled variable displacement engine lubricating oil pump. Base displacement is high enough that adequate oil pressure volume can be supplied with the engine idling, and then "linearly" reduced in displacement volume as engine RPM rises.
Maybe that will be the eventual answer for the LOSSY ATF gear type pressure pump. Or maybe even a replication of the ABS pumpmotor/accumulator system.
#30 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [wwest]
Feb 03, 2012 (8:45 am)
Hey wwest -- your explanation makes sense. just seems like a poor design to me. i guess once the engine (and therefore the trans fluid) heats up, there's more pressure so that explains why the issue goes away.
#31 of 86 Your not in Kansas anymore.
Feb 03, 2012 (9:26 am)
if its under warranty, either go to another dealer! or talk with the manager. There IS problem with the transmission. ours had a sharp shift from 1 to 2..then at 25mph, it went gear hunting (check the lemonaid guide)...Mr. Edmonston is true in his predictions..
Its a bad on the tranny plus shaft.
The dealership boys are Lazy,
Parts from Asian...assembled with pride in Kansas.
#32 of 86 Transmission problems with the 2011 ford escape
Feb 05, 2012 (3:28 pm)
yes, it is a reality..harsh shifting low end, gear hunting about 20mph, then a slam into 3. The whole truck shuttered.
had nothing to do with the tranny fluid. Its was a seal problem & shaft. But did check the tranny fluid.
But realizing where the parts originate (off shore), and possible design of the part, I am keeping an eye & ear on this. The dealership was helpful, in this case. He could not assure me with 100% that is would not happen again.
#33 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [mccomajl]
Feb 21, 2012 (1:23 pm)
The dealership found Service Msg 22195, which states there is a shift hesitation between 2-3 gears, to do no further work on the vehicle to correct it, as it meets design intent at this point.....
#34 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [mccomajl]
Mar 09, 2012 (6:32 pm)
Hi Mccomajl -
Unfortunately the situation does not get better. I bought my 2010 Ford Escape last year in Feb. It had a little over 19K miles on it... Granted for only being a year old it already had its fair share of miles on it. I work and live in the same city on the same street to be exact and live only within 5 miles of where I work. At 24087 miles I had already had enough at this point of the shifting issues. The problem that I was experiencing was I would be at a stop sign or light when I would start to drive and take my foot off the gas as I was turning left the Escape would hit so hard that it felt like someone hit me from behind... It almost gave me a heart attack. When I took it in the service guy said I think I might know what the problem is. Keep it here and I will call you when we are done looking at it. He said that there is a part within the transmission that needs to be rebooted and told how to drive. The same exact thing you were told. I thought wow we are driving computers now isnt this great! When I picked up my Escape he stated that this is in fact what the problem was and it should be fine. A little bit later not only did I experience the kick again I started having high RPM's just pulling out of my son's daycare it would go up to 4. I have noticed that I do not get good gas mileage either. So literally less than 800 miles later I took it back to them. All my issues with the transmission shifting is all under 40 mph... It used to only be under 20 but that has changed. Every time I take the Escape in they tell me that their machine does NOT detect any problems. So they decided to take it for a ride themselves and for 10 miles they came to the realization that I was not wrong that they see what I was talking about. So he reset the transmission again. I asked wow is this a normal thing... How much does this cost each time if I didnt have a warranty... The cashier said $150.00. Already Im thinking omg... What am I gonna do when my warranty up... And is there a recall out there? No recall:( Now I bring it home and still have all of the same issues... I bring it back the 3rd time at this point they keep my Escape for a week literally. And the mileage at this point was only 25161 and on 10/14/11... I havent even had the thing for a year yet... They said the machine did not detect anything again...I told them I am not crazy. They test drove it again and realized that something is really wrong with it... At this point they found the following only through driving... A flare on 3-4 R-R Trans to oh found od 4-5-6 worn clutches. At this point they said that they replaced the entire transmission hence the reason for keeping it a week. Now here we are March...I have been experiencing the same problems. On Tuesday I went to pick my son up from daycare when to get something to eat and then was on my way home only to come to a stop light and when I take off the car dies on my in the middle of the street I didnt even make it past the light. All the lights are on in the car and this orange wrench is showing lit up on the dash. I started the Escape and went to drive on to get home and it did it again not even a full 2 miles down the road. It happened a 3rd time a block later and at this point I knew I could not keep driving. I called a wrecker to come and tow me to the dealership. The next morning I went to the dealership and at 29475 miles I hear the machine says there is nothing wrong. I have had it at this point. I think I have a lemon and I am going to go about looking into the laws. I think Ford has a serious problem with the way that they make vehicles today and they are trying to hold on so bad that this is the way that they keep business rolling by having crappy cars. I would advise you to do the same as there is obviously something wrong with their transmissions and there is nothing that they can do to fix the problem. Good luck with yours!!