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#23 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [nortd]
Feb 01, 2012 (6:16 am)
I bought my 2012 Escape on Dec 29, 2011. At about 250 miles, the car starting having problems shifting. This only happens for the first time out of the drive every morning. After 20-30 minutes of driving, the issue stops. Also it is fine for the rest of the day.
This issue with shifting is between 2-3, and 3-4 gears. When shifting between 2-3 gears, it acts like it doesnt know what to do; then after a second or two, it decides to upshift and the car starts moving again. Then between 3-4 gears it will act like it is slipping the clutch.
When I called the dealer at 250 miles, they tried to tell me that the car needed to "learn" how I drive. At 720 miles, the problem was getting more pronounced. I took the car to the dealership and left it overnight for them to replicate the problem. They applied a TSB to "fix it." So I was hopeful. This morning on the commute to work, the issue was worse than ever. The car is back at the shop again. I have to drive the car for them tomorrow morning so they can experience the issue....
It seems like this is a known issue that Ford should know about....
Interested to learn if others have found resolution to this issue??
#24 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [mccomajl]
Feb 01, 2012 (10:35 am)
agreed! I hear the same BS here, 'has to learn'. discussing this intently with the dealership, Grogan Ford, here in Ontario. Check the LemonAid guide, they call it, gear hunting. The dealer is telling me it a programming problem, I agree. This is the 3rd time.
I am telling them, this is not a ISSUE..its a PROBLEM, solve it!
I wondering who does the programming, its not mac!
we had bought 2008 escape same tranny, a dream to drive.
#25 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [printerman1]
Feb 02, 2012 (9:54 am)
Manufacturer's are doing EVERYTHING possible to improve FE, taking long looks at WEIGHT. Transaxle sump volume minimized results in less ATF volume/weight/cost. When ATF is COLD there is not enough volume to support full functionality.
DO NOT OVERFILL...!
Overfilling will result in FROTHING of the ATF due to gearset partial immersion in ATF.
Try letting the engine idle for a few minutes before driving away and see if the functionality improves. If it does then you can tell the (st,d)ealer what the problem is.
#26 of 86 frothing in the tranny
Feb 02, 2012 (11:13 am)
we do...we warm the engine for 2-3 minutes, or longer, depending on how cold it was. There is a problem with the tranny, a shaft. plus a gasket. This is NOT uncommon. Edmonds calls it, gear hunting.
There should be no reason to fill the tranny that has only 40Km, and being an oil based fluid, it does take awhile to warm and therefore volume increases once the warmth.
#27 of 86 Re: frothing in the tranny [printerman1]
Feb 02, 2012 (12:41 pm)
"..There should be no reason..."
You haven't dealt with very many beancounters....
If a partial ATF fill at the factory will be satisfactory for 98% of the buyers...
Even if not the above you could make a SURE bet that factory fills are NEVER above the minimum "required", "+" tolerances are NOT allowed.
#28 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [printerman1]
Feb 03, 2012 (5:34 am)
So I left the car overnight at the dealership and then went the next morning to drive it for them. They told me that they see what I'm saying about the shifting but that 1) other peoples are much worse 2) it's not "bad enough" for them to try to fix 3) that if I really drive it hard it won't do it as bad. Unfortunately, there are speed limits where I live....
I have a 2011 model as a rental car and loved it. This 2012 model is HORRIBLE.
#29 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [mccomajl]
Feb 03, 2012 (8:39 am)
The Transaxle ATF pump, like the power steering pump, is a rather serious factor in the loss of overall efficiency regarding the need to improve FE. So far, unlike the PS pump, no adequate and/or inexpensive solution is as yet available.
So for the moment the interim solution for improving FE is to reduce the displacement volume of the ATF pressure pump while also reducing, in real time, the pressure "head" against which the pump must work.
While reducing the displacement will most definitely yield a return in improved FE, there is an obvious shortcoming....
In order to provide enough pressurized fluid in all cases the engine must operate, more consistently operate, at a higher RPM than otherwise would be the case.
You need to be something of a "lead foot".
So what the dealer was advising you was true, not to "bust" the speed limit but to accelerate up to that limit more aggressively. The transaxle will remain in the lower gear ratios for longer periods of time, ergo, consistently higher engine RPM.
Porsche is now using an electronically controlled variable displacement engine lubricating oil pump. Base displacement is high enough that adequate oil pressure volume can be supplied with the engine idling, and then "linearly" reduced in displacement volume as engine RPM rises.
Maybe that will be the eventual answer for the LOSSY ATF gear type pressure pump. Or maybe even a replication of the ABS pumpmotor/accumulator system.
#30 of 86 Re: 2012 Ford Escape problem [wwest]
Feb 03, 2012 (8:45 am)
Hey wwest -- your explanation makes sense. just seems like a poor design to me. i guess once the engine (and therefore the trans fluid) heats up, there's more pressure so that explains why the issue goes away.
#31 of 86 Your not in Kansas anymore.
Feb 03, 2012 (9:26 am)
if its under warranty, either go to another dealer! or talk with the manager. There IS problem with the transmission. ours had a sharp shift from 1 to 2..then at 25mph, it went gear hunting (check the lemonaid guide)...Mr. Edmonston is true in his predictions..
Its a bad on the tranny plus shaft.
The dealership boys are Lazy,
Parts from Asian...assembled with pride in Kansas.
#32 of 86 Transmission problems with the 2011 ford escape
Feb 05, 2012 (3:28 pm)
yes, it is a reality..harsh shifting low end, gear hunting about 20mph, then a slam into 3. The whole truck shuttered.
had nothing to do with the tranny fluid. Its was a seal problem & shaft. But did check the tranny fluid.
But realizing where the parts originate (off shore), and possible design of the part, I am keeping an eye & ear on this. The dealership was helpful, in this case. He could not assure me with 100% that is would not happen again.