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#440 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [andre1969]
Oct 02, 2012 (5:50 pm)
Wow. Two feet. I like your in depth historical knowledge of car numbers. Amazing stuff.
Yeah, the trunk was about 16. Bigger than the one in my Honda Accord, which is more like 14. Width or shoulder room wasn't as much as a 1984, but legroom and headroom were pretty close. That was a was engineered car...
#441 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [victor23]
Oct 02, 2012 (5:55 pm)
victor wrote: "Oh yes, this is a beast... Not only 2.0T, but also a DSG transmission. It delivers power like V-6, but feels much more powerful. IIRC, it is rated somewhere around 6.2 s for 0-60, but I am not sure how relevant is this number itself: we are not taking it to drag races..."
That's faster than I thought. (Cue Darth Vader voice): "Impressive! *Most* impressive."
I think the 0-60 number is very relevant, and I'm always puzzled when people say it wouldn't be. Almost every day when I get off of work I'm stopped at a light, and then it turns green and I have to get from 0-60 going up an uphill onramp as I merge onto the freeway. Heck yeah it's relevant. To me, at least.
#442 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [benjaminh]
Oct 02, 2012 (9:22 pm)
I think the 0-60 number is very relevant
Well, I give numbers from Motor Trend (MT) or the sites like zeroto60times.com for the sake of consistency (looks like most people here quote MT, and the available numbers for Accord'13 are also from MT). Some dudes on youtube claim even faster times, while, for instance, CR gives much slower 0-to-60 than MT for all cars.
Anyway, I never had a slightest problem merging from the ramp, even without the S-mode. Effortless.
I've just read that yesterday's midsize comparo by MT. Quite illuminating. Looks like Honda did a good job; nice surprise to me. Not at all surprised by a poor Camry showing. Old 2.5 5-cyl (which wasn't adequate even for Jetta even years ago) for a new Passat is a joke, but maybe just OK with most "users". Pity they couldn't include Sonata, Legacy (these were too old) and Mazda (not launched yet).
#443 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [benjaminh]
Oct 03, 2012 (8:02 am)
GM's first-generation front-wheel-drive full-size cars were quite space efficient. They were, however, lower to the ground, so entry and exit were more difficult than before.
At least, that is what my parents said, as they had traded in a 1982 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale sedan for a 1988 version.
The big problem with those first front-wheel-drive full-size cars was that they felt less solid than the old rear-wheel-drive versions. The interior panels felt as though they were attached with paper clips, and there was a drumming noise that never went away.
The redone 1990s versions were a HUGE improvement. My parents bought a 1992 Delta 88 to replace the 1988 model, and it was a much better car in every way.
#444 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [victor23]
Oct 03, 2012 (8:05 am)
victor23: Looks like Honda did a good job; nice surprise to me.
Honda had to hit a home run. Another half-hearted effort like the Civic in a critical market segment, and the company would be in serious trouble.
The current Civic is getting an emergency makeover for 2013. It's supposed to debut in November-December. According to insiders on a site that shall not be named, the 2013 model will feature a dramatically improved interior and a slight exterior facelift.
#445 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [keystonecarfan]
Oct 03, 2012 (3:15 pm)
For some strange reason, I kinda like the 2012 Civic. I wonder if that should be an omen for Honda...that if Andre says he likes it, be ready for it to take some flak!
FWIW, I like the 2008-2012 as well, a car that gets criticized for being too big, losing touch with what a Honda "should" be, etc. And, as I recall, even the 2003-2007, which is when it finally got big enough that I'd consider one, was criticized.
I'm curious to see how the 2013 Accord compares.
#446 of 513 Re: Honda reliability [andre1969]
Oct 06, 2012 (2:16 am)
The 2012 Civic is a very good car. In some areas I think it's been unfairly criticized. Compared to the previous version it has more room, it's faster, it gets significantly better mpg, etc. They did cut costs in some places (like the dash plastic), but it's not as bad as some people say. My brother-in-law has a 2012 Civic Si sedan, and it's an excellent car. Of course, that's a totally top of the line model...
As the owner of a 2008 Accord, I think the criticism of that generation (the 8th of the Accord) was a little overdone too. Compared to my 2002 Accord it was a major improvement in many ways. The doors of the 08 close like a bank vault compared to the rather tinny 02. The handling, however, is more sloppy and Buick-like (not *that* bad, but...) compared to the more crisp 2002.
Like you and many others, I'm curious about the 2013. Car and Driver has just named it the King of midsize sedans, beating out the new Fusion, Altima, etc. Although the 2013 is a bit smaller on the outside than the previous generation, the room inside is supposed to be almost the same. Acceleration to 60 mph is faster by about a second, which is huge. And mpg is up to 36 on the hwy, which is impressive for a sedan of this size and power.
I'm looking forward to buying one once supplies are up and prices ease a little...December maybe?
#447 of 513 from Car and Driver re: Honda's mojo
Oct 06, 2012 (8:52 am)
"In case you thought we were superficial, the dowdy Accord won our hearts with resurgent Honda mojo and unimpeachable chassis flow"
(+) Sweet to Drive, Big in the Back and the Boot, engine and CVT work harmoniously
(-) Anonymity on Wheels, CVT makes some noise
(=) A family sedan made out of recycled CRXs "
#448 of 513 Re: from Car and Driver re: Honda's mojo [benjaminh]
Oct 08, 2012 (3:08 pm)
I spotted a 2013 Accord up in Pennsylvania, Saturday evening. Nice, attractive car IMO. It's not going to set the automotive world on fire, but truth be told, I don't think any car is capable of that anymore. At this point in time I think that, style-wise, we've seen it all and done it all. So until they can make the damn things levitate, I don't think there's much they can do anymore to really wow me.
Still, it's enough that it's aroused my curiosity.
#449 of 513 three-decade journey
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Oct 28, 2012 (8:01 am)
"Thirty years ago, the first Accord rolled off the line at Honda's Marysville, Ohio, plant, the first car a Japanese automaker assembled in the U.S., changing the competitive landscape of American automaking forever.
Though its world headquarters remains in Japan, Honda makes and sells more cars in North America than in any other continent. The seven plants can produce 1.63 million vehicles a year now and will boost annual capacity to 1.92 million vehicles when a new$800-million plant in Celaya, Mexico, starts production in 2014."
Honda's Ohio plant changed competitive landscape in America (Detroit Free Press)