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#126 of 135 Re: 22,090 miles in a 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD [renssils]
Oct 29, 2012 (11:33 am)
I have the same car and have noticed the same things about it that you mention. This is my first non-German car since 1977 -- and considering that I have driven and/or owned nearly every Audi model since my first 1978 Audi 5000, I find the Acura TL Advance SH-AWD a curious mixture of up to date tech and amenities and outdated tech (and amenities.)
My 2005 Audi A6 and my 2009 A4 Prestige Sport both had features that I find almost impossible to imagine why aren't on a nearly $48K (MSRP with a couple of Acura accessories) 2012 model car.
No bi-xenons -- why?
Dim bulb high beams -- same question.
Why not direct injection?
Why only a 6-speed auto whereas the Bimmer and Audi offer 8 (at the same price points.)
My Audis blind spot warning system was far more useful, the one in the Advance package is good, but it only comes on when the car coming up on you in your blind spot is almost literally already even with your rear bumper -- the Audi, as I recall, gave you warning of at least 3 car lengths, which prevented "stupid attacks."
As I have said before, the TL is ONLY really competitive if it is an SH-AWD version with the Advance trim. I was loaned a Tech version and it simply was a major disappointment.
I did find the "value" proposition compelling for the Acura TL SH-AWD Advance, though -- I got mine in September of 2011 at 13% off of MSRP with a 36 month term and 45K miles in the lease. This, compared to the 2012 Audi A4 Presitge that I could have ordered meant the Acura was almost $200 per month less and 6 months term less. I couldn't pass it up.
Now, the 2013 Accord, assuming it is the basis for the new TL(X) and assuming SH-AWD is still offered, is said to be coming with more gears in the transmission and direct injection (which should, one would think, improve mileage and power.) Moreover, the 2013 Accord has some nice new (contemporary) tech and is made with high-strength steel.
Hopefully the dash of the Acura will no longer look like a thinly disguised Accord. The lack of articulating and bi-xenon headlights should be corrected as should the inclusion of led's as a light source for drl's etc. I think, too, the TLX should offer up an "S" version with more than 19" wheels as the indicator of sportiness -- especially with those dreadful OEM tires.
For many Americans, a great compromise would be to include technology's best UHP all-seasons -- not grand touring and not H rated, not even V rated rubber. There are tires from several suppliers that Honda, er, Acura could choose for their "upscale" car company.
Now, having complained, I must also say, other than the brake rotors -- which is kind of a big deal, now that I say it -- the car seems bullet proof. The engine at full-cry sounds sweet, not course. The Acura V6 and my 2005 Audi 3.2 V6 sing (sang) the same tune.
The only thing the Acura does better than any other car I have had is the sound system -- this is a sound system that seems as if it ought to be one of those high buck after market systems, it is that good.
I find the 2012 TL to be acceptably quiet and I do believe aftermarket tires will cure a lot of the road noise issues some complain about.
Care should be taken to "get the sound" of solidity down pat -- close the back doors and there is no satisfying "whumppp" -- it rather has the sound of hitting a 55 gallon metal drum with a rubber mallet. Very Honda like.
I will consider a '14 or '15 MY TL(X) because I think it should be a price leader (again) and will likely be updated to about 2009 German-car standards.
#127 of 135 Re: 22,090 miles in a 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD [markcincinnati]
Oct 30, 2012 (5:03 am)
Mark...as you and I have posted before, I think you've pretty much nailed the current TL. I agree with you. I had a 2010. We were lured by the very things in an Audi that you posted about (GF bought an S4).
I must say, uncharacteristic of a Honda product, both our BMW 335i and the S4 get better MPG than the TL SH AWD did. Not by a lot, but probably at least 10% better in the German makes. Then again, I drive like a rabid banshee most of the time.
While I buy instead of lease, the financial part of the equation is different than yours. However, the German iron (thinking BMW 3 series and Audi A/S4) is going to be more expensive. To me, the price premium was worth it.
However, if Acura comes out with the kind of car we know they're capable of in 2014, and they keep the price about the same, that would be a tough choice.
Honda/Acura got hit with a double whammy. While I liked the current styling, I understand many did not. Then, the auto industry recovery is just now starting to take hold. And, the big hit was the tsunami that hit Japan, which probably hurt Honda more than any of the others.
It's taken Honda/Acura a bit to right the ship because of all the above. But, I've always liked their products, their engineering and their bulletproof reliability. Add in the high value part and they should have a winner in 2014.
Let's say I'm cautiously optimistic.
#128 of 135 Re: 2012 TL with battery issues [renssils]
Nov 20, 2012 (6:32 am)
My Acura was new in May 2012. The battery indicator light went on the first time I started the car while the salesman was inside w/ me teaching me about the nav system! He said not to worry. It went on again a couple of months later, w/ the message that the battery may not have enough power to start the car again, and I should go immediately to the dealer, which I did. Again, the dealer did something to turn the message off and said not to worry about it. Yesterday, Nov. 19, it happened AGAIN! I didn't want to waste my time going to the dealer again, so I deleted the message from the screen, but now I'm nervous about going far away in case it won't start again! I agree w/ renssils...it SHOULD be recalled to fix this "glitch". I feel very unsure of the car now!!
#129 of 135 Re: 2012 TL with battery issues [258trainer]
Nov 20, 2012 (6:41 am)
My 2012 TL SH-AWD Tech Advance has suffered twice from this glitch. The battery indicator light and the message seem to be a false positive alarm, which is worrying, but no more than that. Acura should have fixed this issue a long time ago.
#130 of 135 Re: 2012 TL with battery issues [258trainer]
Nov 20, 2012 (3:52 pm)
I had the same issue with my 2012 TL. My battery died 3 times. They finally identified it as a electrical circuit that did not turn off and drained the battery. After they fixed it no issues
#131 of 135 Problems with 12 Acura TL 2WD ADV
Dec 09, 2012 (4:58 pm)
Any one with any mechanical problems with 12 Acura TL 2WD ADV? I am looking at buying one within the next week. Good price to pay?
#132 of 135 Used 2012 TL or new Accord
Feb 04, 2013 (4:56 pm)
I am thinking of a used 2012 TL but I can probably get a brand new Accord for about the same price. Feature content is similar (slight edge to the TL), as is performance. The Accord has VCM so is rated higher EPA highway mileage. I've never had an upscale car so the TL has a certain cache that the Accord lacks. OTOH, buying new gets a longer warranty and that new car smell. If anyone has owned both recent model Accords or TLs and has any thoughts, I'm all ears.
#133 of 135 Re: Used 2012 TL or new Accord [lmacmil]
Feb 08, 2013 (6:07 pm)
New Accord is nice, but the TL is a little quiter and nicer inside. Unless you want the better MPG or the features that are not in the TL (adaptive cruise, lane departure, etc) I would get the TL.
#134 of 135 Re: Used 2012 TL or new Accord [lmacmil]
Feb 18, 2013 (6:24 pm)
The warranty of the TL is longer than that of the Accord (4 years/50,000 vs. 3 years/36000). Therefore, a 2012 TL and a 2013 Accord would be about a wash, warranty wise.
#135 of 135 Love my 2013 TL with SH-AWD and tech package
Oct 29, 2013 (10:48 pm)
Black on Black, this is one drop dead gorgeous car inside and out. I buy and keep for many years as opposed to leasing, thus the cost of keeping an older Audi, BMW or Mercedes on the road as time goes by is prohibitive (long term reliability wise and parts and labor wise) compared to a TL at that time. Plus, because the dealership wanted to make room for the 2014s I got mine for the same price as a base model FWD!