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#109 of 135 sotware tweaks and OEM magnetorheological shocks?
Sep 03, 2012 (10:45 am)
No doubt this is fantasy, but I just got my new SH-AWD manual Tranny TL and it does drive great. Am selling a modified 2000 2.7T MT Audi A6 (same size and weight as the MT TL, with mods to take peformance at least equal but can't quite match the SH TL's handling even as lowered with Bilsteins). Anyway, I see the 91 octane is needed, rather than 93. Is there a flash software mod out there that would somewhat increase engine performance/efficiency with 93? Also, equally improbable, is there some way to increase the torque vectoring in the rear, say in a "Sport" mode via software?
From an information standpoint, some Acura brochures tout their use of magnetorheological shock absorbers, but nowehere at the dealer or my brochure can I find anything on this (there is an allusion to a special shock valve system in the SH-AWD. Anyone know about that?
#110 of 135 Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS
Sep 03, 2012 (2:30 pm)
I had the dealer install these Ultra Hi-Perf All Seasons instead of the "Touring" class Michelins standard on the 18 inch TL SH-AWD. Tire Rack's recommendation. Awesome tire. Handles extremely well.
So honest, you other Audi-philes out there (and I am one). Does a A4 with Stasis mods and manual tranny (which does not offer torque vectoring) even stay with the TL as a performance car? Putting aside the seating room.
Yes, an S4 with the $4000 handling package/Torque vectoring system would out-handle the TL, and would be a smidge faster (1/2 sec 0-60), but try to find one. And then it is over $60k. I won't tell you what I paid for my TL, MT, Tech Package in an August deal environment, with rear sensors for parking added, but it was a LONG way from $60k. My other car is a 993 Porsche cab and I drive each one maybe 3k per year. Couldn't go for the S4, even if I could find one. Thought the A4 was too little and too slow.
TL blew me away. It is like a fast, solid grand touring sport coupe with lots of legroom for two rear passengers. (Yes, I hate the trunk and middle rear seat...)
#111 of 135 Re:Hit a button to record XM song
Sep 04, 2012 (9:55 am)
SO WHICH button do you hit while in XM listening mode?
Can you email me at chassocverizon.net with asnwer? Not sure I get replies on this forum yet. (Just bought my SH-AWD TL/Tech package, manual Tran to replace Audi A6 2.7T MT. If not, hopefully I get reply here.
#112 of 135 Re:Hit a button to record XM song [hadana6]
Sep 04, 2012 (1:16 pm)
If memory serves me right you only get 5 seconds of the song recorded which is under the Gracenote feature. I think you have to hold down the XM button- dont hold me to this, I discontinued my service after the 3 months of freebies expired and this was three years ago (I have the 2009 AWD TECH).
#113 of 135 Re: Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS [hadana6]
Sep 04, 2012 (3:59 pm)
Again, I love the TL SH AWD. But, saying it can remotely keep up with an S4 is silly. I've driven both. The S4 is substantially faster than the TL (2x-3x the 1/2 second delta you quoted). The S4 suspension and trans is a signficant step above, too.....as is the MMI and quality of materials.
But, as you point out, you pay a premium for those upgrades, too.
Ours was way under $60k.
#114 of 135 Re: Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS [graphicguy]
Sep 25, 2012 (12:35 pm)
Two unlikely to be cross-shopped cars were tested by Automobile magazine. They were "pretty much" contented at the same level for the test. Actually, based on a quick check, it seems the Audi was not as "contented" as the Acura. But, still the Audi was $10,000 more than the Acura and probably would have been perhaps $12K more if the Audi had been cranked up to match the features and options that come with the Acura at this price point.
I am not sure the Audi is "substantially" more of anything, other than price, according to what you will see that follows.
And, I don't know about keeping up with the S4 being silly -- check it out:
Acura TL SH-AWD 18" wheels and tires:
Price: $43,245/$44,245 (base/as tested)
Engine: 24-valve SOHC V-6
Displacement: 3.7 liters (224 cu in)
Horsepower: 305 hp 6300 rpm
Torque: 273 lb-ft 5000 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
0-60 mph: 5.4 sec
0-100 mph: 13.5 sec
0-110 mph: 16.3 sec
0-120 mph: 20.5 sec
0-130 mph: 24.9 sec
0-140 mph: *
0-150 mph: *
1/4-mile (sec mph): 14.1 102
30-70 mph passing: 6.8 sec
peak g: 0.66 g
Audi S4 w/18" wheels and tires, too:
Price: $46,725/$54,075 (base/as tested)
Engine: 24-valve DOHC supercharged V-6
Displacement: 3.0 liters (183 cu in)
Horsepower: 333 hp 5500 rpm
Torque: 325 lb-ft 2900 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
0-60 mph: 5.0 sec
0-100 mph: 11.5 sec
0-110 mph: 13.5 sec
0-120 mph: 16.4 sec
0-130 mph: 19.7 sec
0-140 mph: 23.4 sec
0-150 mph: 28.6 sec
1/4-mile (sec mph): 13.5 110
30-70 mph passing: 5.7 sec
Peak g: 0.69 g
"The Audi's extra thrust should have been a huge advantage at Pittsburgh's BeaveRun racetrack, which rewards straight-line speed with two long straightaways -- especially since, on paper, the Acura carries no advantage in cornering or braking: the two cars have similar weight, tire section width, and suspension designs. The Audi's slightly better weight distribution would, we thought, be nixed by the Acura's wider track. And we were right -- as expected, the cars posted similar braking and cornering numbers in standardized testing.
But on a racetrack, the TL showed us exactly why Acura used the word "super" to describe its Super-Handling All-Wheel-Drive system. Despite its significant power advantage, the Audi S4's fastest lap beat the TL's by only 0.4 second."
Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1008_2010_acura_tl_sh_awd_vs_2010_au- - di_s4/viewall.html#ixzz27W19sjZI
I'm just sayin' . . .
#115 of 135 Re: Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS [markcincinnati]
Sep 26, 2012 (8:41 am)
Mark with all that said, why get the S6?
Probably brand loyalty?
#116 of 135 Re: Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS [billyperksii]
Sep 29, 2012 (7:33 am)
I'd get the S4 without any hesitation, compared to a TL SH-AWD advance, if the price was in the same universe as the TL. Despite what must appear to be blind, stupid, ignorant support for the Acura, I would take an Audi A4 2.0T over the TL, too, if the price would be even remotely competitive.
Now, the S6 and the S8 are cars that I would describe as sublime -- virtually regardless of price. Virtually. I had a new S6 in 1995 and it remains my favorite car, despite the fact that I actually felt my 1997 A8 and 2005 A6 and 2009 A4 2.0T sport were "better." The S cars, not S-Line, mind you, are IMHO among the most desirable cars on the planet. I have never driven one of the newer generations of RS Audis, but I am confident they too are at the pinnacle of the automaker's art.
However, I/we live in a world where (for example), home theater, European trips, fine dining, plays and "theater", regional US travel and our Shelties are very important. My wife collects high buck pens and we both collect watches and support charities and what we think are good causes. Our ages dictate that 401ks and other investments are also near the top of our minds.
Hopefully you get the picture -- I did cross shop the Acura with a comparably priced (south of $50,000) Audi. The Acura, which was able to "remind" or perhaps fool me into thinking it was "sporty" and not a HUGE step down from the Audi in terms of creature comforts, seemed (in the time frame of the Great Recession) to be an optimal purchase. A few years back, I probably would have talked myself into about $200 per month more and for a longer term (36 mo vs 42 months lease).
Yea, I know, TMI, but I assume many folks go through a similar thought process and some justify it by getting a 50" HDTV instead of a much larger HDTV or they eat at chain restaurants to save a few bucks or they don't fly business class to Munich, etc etc etc.
I will shop Acura, Audi, BMW, Cadillac, Genesis, Infiniti, Volkswagen and Volvo, next time around (22 months or so.) I can only assume that there will be no S4 or S6 that is worth giving up the other "luxuries" we enjoy.
Of course, we could always win the lottery -- but then again, that would mean we would have to start playing it.
Drive it like you live.
#117 of 135 Re: Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS [markcincinnati]
Oct 01, 2012 (8:50 am)
Mark I like your assessment on a whole but I beg to differ.
I have said this before that I almost traded my TL for either the S4 or the A6 Premium Plus- the A4 was not even on my long list- way underpowered to even be mentioned. I sat in the S4 and knew right away this would not suffice a family of four. The A6 would but value stopped me in putting my signature on the paper. I just could not justify giving up $20K more for what seems like- a little power, slightly better handling and a few other stuff that are irrelevant. Just MHO
#118 of 135 Re: Oh - try the Bridgestone Potenza 970 AS [billyperksii]
Oct 01, 2012 (11:01 am)
You say tomato, I say tomaato. We're darn close to being in violent agreement!
Drive it like you live.