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2012 Outback Diesel?

26 messages,  Last post on Feb 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM

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#18 of 26 Re: 2012 Outback Diesel? [clarkkent] by paisan

Feb 11, 2011 (7:22 pm)

Replying to: clarkkent (Feb 11, 2011 7:06 pm)
I think your 200k + on a Jeep is commendable. I'm not sure most other gas motors will last that long. I wouldn't buy diesel for longevity, I would buy it for the torque and milage.
 
-mike
Subaru Guru and Track Instructor

#19 of 26 Re: 2012 Outback Diesel? [paisan] by legacywagonftw

Feb 14, 2011 (11:54 pm)

Replying to: paisan (Feb 11, 2011 7:22 pm)
I'd love this. Subaru has been very coy, alternately stating matter of factly that the US market won't accept diesel, then emissions problems, then "we're evaluating." A diesel hybrid would rock my world!
 
Let me just say that my dear wife has owned an '06 diesel Jetta for two years and she absolutely loves that car for her daily 60 mile round trip. She routinely scores low to mid 40's in the MPG contest for her mix of freeway and city stop-and-go driving, and easily juts into the low 50's for straight highway miles. So even with diesel's price premium, the savings is there.
 
The earlier comments about crude production creating relatively fixed percentages of diesel and gasoline is spot on. Further, my understanding is that the Europeans, due to their acceptance of diesel, actually produce an excess amount of gasoline they can't use, and export it here to the US market. I wonder if this practice effectively subsidizes the price of gasoline in the US? (I can see it working either way.)
 
Anyhow -- I'd love for Subaru to give us a choice here in the US. I'd buy a TDI Legacy wagon in a heartbeat if it were made available here.

#20 of 26 Re: 2012 Outback Diesel? [legacywagonftw] by robr2

Feb 15, 2011 (9:41 am)

Replying to: legacywagonftw (Feb 14, 2011 11:54 pm)
Further, my understanding is that the Europeans, due to their acceptance of diesel, actually produce an excess amount of gasoline they can't use, and export it here to the US market. I wonder if this practice effectively subsidizes the price of gasoline in the US?
 
I did not know that but googled it and wow - what a revelation!! According to the below link, gasoline was trading last week in Europe at $2.40 a gallon leaving buyers about $0.03 a gallon in potential profit after shipping to the East Coast.
 
Euro Exports of Gasoline

#21 of 26 Diesel Link by pilot1226

Feb 15, 2011 (11:48 am)

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/diesel.html
 
Link is to a pretty good "unofficial" Subaru website maintained my a salesman on the west coast of USA.

#22 of 26 Re: Diesel Link [pilot1226] by ateixeira

Feb 15, 2011 (12:28 pm)

Replying to: pilot1226 (Feb 15, 2011 11:48 am)
Joe Spitz Subaru is the best Subaru dealer site in the USA, that's for sure...

#23 of 26 Re: Diesel Link [ateixeira] by dcm61

Feb 15, 2011 (4:22 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 15, 2011 12:28 pm)
Joe Spitz Subaru is the best Subaru dealer site in the USA, that's for sure...
 
Not to nitpick, but ...
 
Joe Spitz is an employee of Carter Subaru. Also, cars101.com is not a Subaru dealer site; it's Joe's personal baby.

#24 of 26 Re: Diesel Link [dcm61] by ateixeira

Feb 15, 2011 (6:32 pm)

Replying to: dcm61 (Feb 15, 2011 4:22 pm)
Is that right?
 
Wow, that guy is pretty crafty. I though Joe Spitz Subaru was a dealership!

#25 of 26 Re: Diesel Link [ateixeira] by dcm61

Feb 15, 2011 (8:31 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Feb 15, 2011 6:32 pm)
Is that right?
 
http://www.cars101.com/subaru_sales.html#1
http://www.cars101.com/disclaimer.html

#26 of 26 Re: 2012 Outback Diesel? [robr2] by legacywagonftw

Feb 16, 2011 (10:49 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Feb 15, 2011 9:41 am)
Good link. It certainly is an eye opener. I don't know the breakdown in European nations, but in the US production competes with Trucks, Trains, JetA, and home heating oil. And what surprised me most about the gasoline imports is that face that these huge tanker ships are transporting such a volatile product across the Atlantic and yet I've never heard of a gasoline spill, explosion or fire. Seem quite remarkable (and dangerous -- though apparently not).

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