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#4 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [andre1969]
Feb 06, 2011 (12:41 pm)
All true, but the most significant improvements since the decade of the '90s, especially as it applies to the domestic brands, are the things you don't see. I'm thinking of things such as fit and finish, assembly quality and reliability.
#5 of 33 Speaking of GM's supercharged cars...
Feb 06, 2011 (12:48 pm)
for some reason, I've been getting an itch for a supercharged Regal. Don't ask me why. My Dad has an '03 LS, the regular, non-supercharged model. I don't particularly care for it. As a brand-new car, it would've been pretty mediocre, although it was a steal as a 1 year old, 19500 mile car for $12,840 out the door.
Weren't the supercharged Regals good for 0-60 in about 6.0 seconds?
#6 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [fintail]
Feb 06, 2011 (12:51 pm)
Yeah, the rate of change and improvement, as it relates to styling and design, seems to have slowed markedly. What hasn't slowed down is the introduction of new safety and convenience features. Some of these are of marginal value for me.
#7 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [hpmctorque]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:00 pm)
Even in cars that haven't been ground-up redesigns, there have been big improvements in safety. For instance, here's how my 2000 Park Ave might fare in a crash:
1997-2005 Park Ave crash test.
And for comparison: 2006+ Lucerne crash test.
Now, for the time, the Park Ave actually did pretty good. It scored high ratings for driver and passenger protection. But still, look at the improvement with the Lucerne. there doesn't even appear to be any buckling of the door frame or A-pillar, as there was with the Park Ave.
#8 of 33 Re: Speaking of GM's supercharged cars... [andre1969]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:22 pm)
I also like the Regal GS. The cladding and the painted grille improved the appearance over the LS. And, the supercharger and firmer suspension of the GS upped the fun factor. As I recall, the painted grille also came with some editions of the LS, such as the Joseph Abboud edition, and you could order the firmer suspension, but not the supercharger. There was also a Joseph Abboud version of the GS, which was a neat package.
#9 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [fintail]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:21 pm)
Was the '92 Taurus a refresh or a new platform?
I'm among the few that likes the '96-99 Taurus better than the refreshed '00.
The '92 Civic was a significant improvement over the boxy previous platform, and while the '96 looked like a refresh, I think it was an all-new platform. I remember a comment in one report on the '92 Civic, to the effect that "if Mercedes made a small car, this would be it." Good as it was in its day, one area that Honda never got right with the Civic, or, to a lesser extent with the Accord, is sound insulation. The high level of road noise that permeates the cabin detracts from the perception of quality. Of the mass market brands, VW does this much better than Honda.
#10 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [hpmctorque]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:22 pm)
Styling really isn't evolving at all anymore and hasn't for several years. There are fads here and there...but nothing like the old aero ideal, which we are pretty much still in.
Some features do seem of debatable value, but I think the structural integrity of cars has improved a lot, like in Andre's crash tests. This is true for "safe" makes" as well - in the 90s some of them performed in crash tests in a way that would make people scream today - the initial run of MB W210 was pretty iffy. There aren't many really unsafe cars sold in the first world anymore.
#11 of 33 Re: Speaking of GM's supercharged cars... [hpmctorque]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:22 pm)
Two months ago I moved to a new building at work, but before that, I used to see a Joseph Abboud edition Regal in the lot where I used to park. Nice looking car. I can't remember if it was a GS or LS though.
I always thought the Olds Intrigue was a sharp looking car too. But, IIRC, those only came with the regular 3800, or the "shortstar" 3.5 DOHC V-6, which could be pretty troublesome.
#12 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [hpmctorque]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:24 pm)
I think the 92 was just a refresh...but it was pretty crisp and modern. The original aged pretty well too, but the slightly sharper lines and narrower lines of the 92 updated it nicely IMO. My mom had a 93 that was a fairly decent car. The ovoid ones were just too much too soon, then they really made it rental grade.
I was thinking the 96 Civic was a refresh and the 01 was all new...but I was never really into those. The period Accords were really good cars too, although the nicely proportioned 90-93s seem to rust out even here.
#13 of 33 Re: The Transformative Cars Of The '90s [fintail]
Feb 06, 2011 (1:28 pm)
True, no really unsafe new cars today, and for the vast majority of drivers, no underpowered ones, either. That increasingly makes prestige the primary differentiater between mass market and luxury.